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#41 ·
Les,
yes, i am a kraut (but a young one - from your point of view...)
but the krautpot felt too small. so i left about 30 years ago.

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to the theme at hand:
every chickenyard needs a pecking order. - are we chicken?
 
#42 ·
Well gents this thread fails to look at some simple explanations;

When I'm writing out a question, I take my time to get my thoughts across, during that time it is entirely possible that the answer is being posted, then my Q arrives and names are tossed. Whereas a simple" look above" would cover that gross laspe of protocol manners....

I'm suprised that all you old dogs, that had your questions answered long ago, haven't kept a log and merely provided the link to those answers, instead we are told to go look for it! Were you told that back then?

If it's too much trouble why don't you just remain silent? Or are we, the newcomers to this list, an inconvienent reality? Are we invading your turf? Do we really need your putdowns or do you need to puff up your status?

Y'know I read sly comments about that other board and how this one is supposed to be much more friendly and less of a business, but the more negative responses to newcomers I see, the less friendly this board becomes and more likely I'll dismiss the whole lot!

John
 
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#44 ·
Posted By Greg Elmassian on 03/21/2009 9:48 AM
Les, I'm belatedly replying to your post... I agree with your perspective as valid, and really expanding on what I said... the only quibble I have with you is where you say:

"/// This is the weakest part of your post: wherein is it written that all posts must 'be of interest to all'?"

I did not use the word MUST.... you DID include what I said:

/// You're correct, you did not use the word 'must'. Note the 'quote marks' setting off your actual statement, '... be of interest to all....' I took the position that it's patently impossible for all posts to be of interest to all readers, and the reason I did was it is so often used to belabor someone for some reason. Hence the 'must' to lead into your observation.

/// Howsumever, if you feel I've misquoted you, I apologize.

"Then, the subsequent questions are more likely to be of interest to all..."

More likely means hope.... unfairly scolded here I believe....

/// I apologize for leaving the impression I was scolding you or anyone else. I wrote that I was taking a different perspective from yours, meaning only that.

"more likely" is a hope to keep the responses somewhat organized along what was asked.... no MUST here, I don't like "forum police" either.
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No forum police for me, either.

Les

Regards, Greg
 
#45 ·
John, I think you see that the questions ARE being answered, I was bringing up a counterpoint... and the fact that I only have so much bandwidth, so I concentrate on the newer, tougher issues.

I have a FAQ section on my site, and there are ones on this site too... I don't see a bunch of negativism on this thread, in fact I think your post is the most negative on the entire thread.

Calling people names and saying stuff like " If it's too much trouble why don't you just remain silent?" is REALLY negative....

Look at the GENERAL situation... questions like:

track vs. battery power
brass vs. stainless steel vs. aluminum track
DCC vs. DCS vs. R/C

have been beaten to death and I'm personally not able to contribute anything new to these discussions that have been analyzed and discussed many times by people I consider experts and very experienced.

So, given the choice between answering one of the above questions, or helping someone who has an unusual problem with power pickup in an Aristo motor block, etc.... I will spend my precious free hours answering the questions that are not FAQs.

That's the gist...

Regards, Greg
 
#46 ·
I'm suprised that all you old dogs, that had your questions answered long ago, haven't kept a log and merely provided the link to those answers, instead we are told to go look for it! Were you told that back then?

John,

All this started because I did give G-nut a link to a thread that answered his question in great detail - and he took mild offense at my comments.



If it's too much trouble why don't you just remain silent


Believe me, if it is too much trouble we DO remain silent. A lot of old hands don't even read the Beginners forum, as they don't have time to answer the same question again.



Do we really need your putdowns


I think we try very, very, very hard not to put down newcomers. But, just to give you a perspective, this hobby has been growing for 10+ years and shows no sign of slowing. One or two people find this site every week, and many of them ask the same questions. We (old dogs who should have given up answering long ago) have found from experience that it is no use answering a question with a link to a thread containing the answer, as it looks like impatience and doesn't make the newcomer feel welcome. Look what happened in this thread.



I bet Gscaletrainnut101 is really glad that he/she posted the question


Yeah, Steve, where were you when we got out of hand. This topic needs moderation!
 
#47 ·
Posted By Pete Thornton on 03/21/2009 3:43 PM
I bet Gscaletrainnut101 is really glad that he/she posted the question
Yeah, Steve, where were you when we got out of hand. This topic needs moderation!
Pete

As far as I can see there have been no forum rules broken, and I don't remember that Shad has ever attempted keeping individuals from acting foolish.

What the forum is, or isn't, as always rests squarely on the participant's shoulders, not the moderators.
 
#48 ·
Posted By Pete Thornton on 03/21/2009 9:00 AM
{snip...}[/i] [If this site had some "artificial intelligence", it would note someone typing 'post photos' and pop up a little dialogue box with "did you want to know how to post images? Click here for the answer". Like that annoying Microsoft 'Assistant'. And where's the FAQ when you need it - Dwight?] {snip...}[/i]
Oh, I almost forgot.

When you get all the kinks worked out of the heuristics and the neural network algorithms module that will run on the MS/.Net - DNN framework. Oh by the way, after thinking about it a bit, I figure it might be a good idea to include both forward and back chaining capabilities too, just in case the user needs help in narrowing down the answer. Be sure to drop Shad a PM or eMail, I'm sure he'll be interested.
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As for a partial answer for the question you posed to Dwight, refer to Question #11 in the FAQ accessed via Resources menu >> FAQ >> Q11 How do I use the Quick Reply Editor to post a reply.
 
#49 ·
OK....................................................................................................

I just spent the last hour "playing" and demonstrating to the CFO of the GR&G the great tips and comments that blew her away with what I have learned.

This thanks to you people.


I come upstairs in total satisfaction to find emotional stress over "slights" on written emails.

OK.........................................................................................................


My business is based on email and I can say with confidence.... IT IS SO EASY TO SCREW UP THE INTENT OF A MESSAGE ON ANY WRITTEN COMMUNICATION FORMAT. [/b]
Now, as an example... did the above text sound to you like I was "screaming" ?



Try this:

"People really need to pick up on the gest of the forum and start to log into the search feature."


Not that I said anything negative however..... the gest was.... "you stupid ass, get with it"


Try this:

"Welcome and yes you are right in saying that trains can be driven by both electricity and steam. You mention that you have a .... classic... bye the way, take a look at the following attachment that will explain why you can't convert one to the other easily... In the Beginner Forum there is also a thread on conversions that you may want to take a look at... Here is the link. "


Well yes, I acknowledged the needs and wants, made comments and steered the lad in the right direction.


So, quite simple this is NOT the UN.....


This is a culture on this forum.... Newbie's get used to it....

Senior lads..... spar and enjoy for you cut new frontiers... Please pay respect to newbies.... you were one at a point in history.


Us newbies... we get offended... so be it... leave... if not , then we earn "The rites of Passage" (was I screaming here?)


And yes us Newbies will become Seniors.... (anyone who has gone to University knows what this means....
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So Gents.... let us just sit back, enjoy our common passion, accept personality profiles as they may be and finally understand the limitations of the written word !!!




With this said I will once again continue my trek towards my bed....with an eye to developing a marketing strategy re costs of the GR&G to submit to my CFO (prior to her arrival in the bedroom) that in turn allows me to write an email in the near future....
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#50 ·
My apologies to everyone. We wuz fustrated! I wandered off to try the search that was suggested... got totally fustrated by that experience and returned to the thread.

What 'I think struck me was newbies were being 'blamed' for shortcomings of the Internet. A time lapse where a question is being written as another answers a similar question.

'cuse me but I thought I saw complaints about repitition as in 'we covered that already'... instead of Snideley's (Whiplash) try; look at post # x...oh I see we are not numbered.... then perhaps the posters name and the page #.

As for seaching here... I get faster links to this group through google than I do searching on site. I went to the archieves and got a list of 1,400 entries and the first page had 20. A look at the various subjects (topics) wasn't helpful at all. There's a ton of info in this thread and mebbe 10% on the subject 'level problems' ... so we ask our simple questions and are limited by the printed word.

Old dogs? I am one, jest not here.

Remember your Mama's words... if you can't say something nice... I forgot 'em...I'll try to do better. I didn't feel at all better after posting my fustrations and I don't really want to antagonize those that might help me.

I want to thank everybody here. You guys are wonderful giving your time to help us nabobs realise the joy of garden railways. Thank you Thank you Thank you.

John
 
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#51 ·
Here's my 2 cents: If you think telling someone to do a search for their answer is rude, head over to LSC, if you say something they don't like, they will tell you to go somewhere else or call you by Goering's nick name. Nice group, real friendly. Personally I don't care what people say, I would rather search than ask a question as I hate typing. Also, I would rather post a picture than type, But that's because I like pictures and can’t type.
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I lurked in this and other forums for 6 months before I felt I had something to contribute. As a newbe that may be the best way to learn. These sites exist and grow as long as people add interesting content. Bridges or buildings or novel solutions to problems. These posts usually come from people who make their first attempt after reading what others have tried. So, whats' my point? I don't know. Maybe people shouldn't be to sensitive, it's a hobby not a religion. (it's a cool hobby though)
 
#52 ·
Posted By Bills on 03/22/2009 8:23 PM
Here's my 2 cents: If you think telling someone to do a search for their answer is rude, head over to LSC, if you say something they don't like, they will tell you to go somewhere else or call you by Goering's nick name. Nice group, real friendly. Personally I don't care what people say, I would rather search than ask a question as I hate typing. Also, I would rather post a picture than type, But that's because I like pictures and can’t type.
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I lurked in this and other forums for 6 months before I felt I had something to contribute. As a newbe that may be the best way to learn. These sites exist and grow as long as people add interesting content. Bridges or buildings or novel solutions to problems. These posts usually come from people who make their first attempt after reading what others have tried. So, whats' my point? I don't know. Maybe people shouldn't be to sensitive, it's a hobby not a religion. (it's a cool hobby though)




Hear Hear !
 
#55 ·
I would like to add that when doing your first layout leveling a track is extremely important. every problem I have is due to sectional changes in height, or angled side to side track. Also shimming is often counterintuitive. In that the side that should be higher or lower is often the opposite of what you expect. I am rebuilding sections of my track that I first put down because of this. It is amazing how sensitive trains are to slight change. First timers should hear this again and again!!!
 
#56 ·
Posted By Semper Vaporo on 03/22/2009 9:02 PM
Posted By Bills on 03/22/2009 8:23 PM
... it's a hobby not a religion.





IT'S NOT?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!
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Semper, once again.... need I lecture you?

This is a very serious hobby that can easily be turned into a religion. And yet a religion is just that .... a hobby to the extreme.


Time consuming.

Now back to topic.. We were talking level issues...


Hobbies need to be approached from a level perspective.

gg
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#58 ·
Posted By Semper Vaporo on 03/22/2009 9:14 PM
If I were level headed, would I be in it?


You are level headed and yes you are in it. Your biggest issue in life is that of errant switches, which needs a therapeutic approach from your fellow forum members.


Now, I do think that the creator of this thread, a one Newbie called "gscaltrainut101" is currently seeking outside professional therapeutic help due to association with us level headed and errant forum members.


gg
 
#59 ·
leveling a track is extremely important


Nice to get back to the topic (without the originator, sadly.)

Bill, a couple of comments. Yes, we have the same problems that the 'big' railroads have, and good track is important. Solid ballast or similar support is good (I spent yesterday re-ballasting Rog's layout due to winter frost heaves, washouts, etc.)

However, with the big flanges on most mass-produced trains, the track has to be really bad to cause derailments. Long-wheelbase, rigid locomotives are the usual culprits. Freight and passenger car trucks are so short they can wobble over most stuff. And 'wobbling' is the key - the locos need to be less rigid to cope with uneven track. While springing (as found on the more expensive, less-mass-produced equipment) helps, the best solution is 'equalisation', where you arrange things so that the loco is riding on a solid driven axle and the rest are pivoted and can move up and down as the track requires.
 
#60 ·
Pete,

Has anyone in the modelling world actually tried the swinging arms between a pair of driver axles and the engine frame on each side? Takes some springs, I happened to come across that in Comstock's book on American steam engines. I forget the title. Looks fairly simple to do, but I suspect getting the springs right would be a problem. From all my reading, the only method I'm aware of in the model world is the single hard-mounted driver with the rest floating, like you said.
 
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