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Hi Matt,
Nothing out there really in the catagory you discribe.
There is a brass two drum engine that falls in the very expensive end
then the Ozark kits that are very good but expensive.
The main problem with the Ozarks is they don't measure up for 1:20 scale.
They sell as "G" scale (1:22) but are probably 1:24 which makes them look about 3/4 size
in 1:20. Also they are of very small prototype vertical and horizontal
single and double drum engines.These used sleds that were like 6'wide and 14'long.
Basically if you want anything in F scale you will have to build it yourself.and if
you want anything newer than 1900 you will have to design from pictures and build
it yourself.
If you feel like searching the archives check under my name for my
American Hoist & Derrick (AH&D) thread for the one I scratched.
Good luck
Rick Marty
Nothing out there really in the catagory you discribe.
There is a brass two drum engine that falls in the very expensive end
then the Ozark kits that are very good but expensive.
The main problem with the Ozarks is they don't measure up for 1:20 scale.
They sell as "G" scale (1:22) but are probably 1:24 which makes them look about 3/4 size
in 1:20. Also they are of very small prototype vertical and horizontal
single and double drum engines.These used sleds that were like 6'wide and 14'long.
Basically if you want anything in F scale you will have to build it yourself.and if
you want anything newer than 1900 you will have to design from pictures and build
it yourself.
If you feel like searching the archives check under my name for my
American Hoist & Derrick (AH&D) thread for the one I scratched.
Good luck
Rick Marty
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Matt,
Regarding Rick's topic, I can save you a bit of work in digging it up. The following is a link to a PDF file that I made of it.
Growing a Donkey
By R. W. Marty
(File Format: PDF - File Size: 1MB)
(Left-click to open, Right-click to download)
Hope this is found to be of help.
SteveC
Regarding Rick's topic, I can save you a bit of work in digging it up. The following is a link to a PDF file that I made of it.
Growing a Donkey
By R. W. Marty
(File Format: PDF - File Size: 1MB)
(Left-click to open, Right-click to download)
Hope this is found to be of help.
SteveC
Rick:
Fantastic workmanship, I am jealous!
Steve:
thanks for the pdf file!
I also scatch built a donkey in 1:20.3, although not up to the quality of Rick's. Mine is a Tacoma wide faced yarder based on plans in Merv Johnson's book "In search of steam donkeys".
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John
Fantastic workmanship, I am jealous!
Steve:
thanks for the pdf file!
I also scatch built a donkey in 1:20.3, although not up to the quality of Rick's. Mine is a Tacoma wide faced yarder based on plans in Merv Johnson's book "In search of steam donkeys".
John
The sled was cut from wood scraps I had around the garage. The NBWs are from Ozark. The gears are from the "robotics" section at my local hobby shop. The cone shape on top is from a kids cup top I snagged at The Old Spagetti Factory some time ago. Sadly they don't have them there anymore. The rest is plastic pipe and styrene.
John
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Hi John,
That is one nice yarder. Make a great flat load into or out of the woods. Have you started a Lidgerwood Tower skidder yet??
Steve C.
Thanks for that PDF link 'cause I couldn't find it either/DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/whistling.gif
. I am pleased that someone found something I did worth saving.
Later
Rick Marty
That is one nice yarder. Make a great flat load into or out of the woods. Have you started a Lidgerwood Tower skidder yet??
Steve C.
Thanks for that PDF link 'cause I couldn't find it either/DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/whistling.gif
. I am pleased that someone found something I did worth saving. Later
Rick Marty
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Matt - DIY, donkey's make a fun project. I used a recycled whipped cream can mated to an old funnel for the boiler and a Schilling pepper tin for the tank on this:
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and a potpouri fragrance can (it still smells like pumpkin!) and a pulley wheel for this one:
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Doing the research on them is half the fun - they were all basically kitbashed, so just about anything you model, no matter how weird, probably has a real precedent. Ozark makes many useful detail parts to add realism, but most of the stuff for making them you probably already have laying around.
and a potpouri fragrance can (it still smells like pumpkin!) and a pulley wheel for this one:
Doing the research on them is half the fun - they were all basically kitbashed, so just about anything you model, no matter how weird, probably has a real precedent. Ozark makes many useful detail parts to add realism, but most of the stuff for making them you probably already have laying around.
G
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·maybe it is a stupid question...
but i don't understand, what these donkeys where for.
i see, that they could draw themselves. but what for?
when they reached their destination, what were they used for?
but i don't understand, what these donkeys where for.
i see, that they could draw themselves. but what for?
when they reached their destination, what were they used for?
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Posted By kormsen on 06/16/2008 1:07 AM
maybe it is a stupid question...
but i don't understand, what these donkeys where for.
i see, that they could draw themselves. but what for?
when they reached their destination, what were they used for?
Hi Kormsen,
Logging! they were the portable motive power, and winches for moving cut logs in the forests. Equally they were also used in factories before electric power was available.
Many sizes were available, and some were modified by the loggers to be small locomotives as well.
maybe it is a stupid question...
but i don't understand, what these donkeys where for.
i see, that they could draw themselves. but what for?
when they reached their destination, what were they used for?
Hi Kormsen,
Logging! they were the portable motive power, and winches for moving cut logs in the forests. Equally they were also used in factories before electric power was available.
Many sizes were available, and some were modified by the loggers to be small locomotives as well.
I experimented with copper pipe for a boiler and copper flashing and brass pipe for the stack and plenum. Never finished it but it was a good exercise for soldering. Also made a boiler out of copper step flashing and soldered the seam. Emerory paper then Blacken it
and a rust finish.
and a rust finish.
G
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·thank you, Peter!
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John,
That is going to be a beauty.
A standard 2 drum yarder with extended firebox.
Willamette, right?
Great work
Rick Marty
That is going to be a beauty.
A standard 2 drum yarder with extended firebox.
Willamette, right?
Great work
Rick Marty
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Here is a link to the upcoming National Narrow Gauge Convention in Portland Oregon with a picture of a part of what I believe to be a donkey.
It is located at "Camp 18" restaurant(and museum)
http://www.28thnngc.com/mediagallery/media.php?f=0&sort=0&s=20080108020617779
It is located at "Camp 18" restaurant(and museum)
http://www.28thnngc.com/mediagallery/media.php?f=0&sort=0&s=20080108020617779
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Posted By Don Howard on 06/17/2008 7:11 AM
Here is a link to the upcoming National Narrow Gauge Convention in Portland Oregon with a picture of a part of what I believe to be a donkey.
It is located at "Camp 18" restaurant(and museum)
http://www.28thnngc.com/mediagallery/media.php?f=0&sort=0&s=20080108020617779
Hi
Quite right Don, and the other photos (there is a slide show of 10 photos) show more of it - that one is quite a size; most of the the skid beam chassis appears to have rotted away but it is still visible.
One of the photos (number 5) is of another (triple)winch unit by itself.
Thanks for the link, there are some nice photos there.
Here is a link to the upcoming National Narrow Gauge Convention in Portland Oregon with a picture of a part of what I believe to be a donkey.
It is located at "Camp 18" restaurant(and museum)
http://www.28thnngc.com/mediagallery/media.php?f=0&sort=0&s=20080108020617779
Hi
Quite right Don, and the other photos (there is a slide show of 10 photos) show more of it - that one is quite a size; most of the the skid beam chassis appears to have rotted away but it is still visible.
One of the photos (number 5) is of another (triple)winch unit by itself.
Thanks for the link, there are some nice photos there.
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I just noticed this thread. I thought it might be appropriate to post a couple pics of the the functional live steam donkeys that a couple of friends and I built. It was a multi-year project. We built four of these machines. Each one has working brakes, clutches, throttle, sight glass, etc. The machines are capable of loading real logs onto log cars. We typically use LGB log disconnects because they can take the beating. Here are some pictures from one of our steam logging sessions on Jack Verducci's layout.
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A couple more pics of some details:
http://wegmuller.org/v-web/gallery/albums/EDH-Lumber-Co-1:20-3-scale-Donkey-Engines/DSC03077.jpg
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NOTE: Good grief-- sorry I cant get these image tags to work properly right now. I'll try to fix it later but you can cut and paste the url's for now.
Regards,
A couple more pics of some details:
http://wegmuller.org/v-web/gallery/albums/EDH-Lumber-Co-1:20-3-scale-Donkey-Engines/DSC03077.jpg
NOTE: Good grief-- sorry I cant get these image tags to work properly right now. I'll try to fix it later but you can cut and paste the url's for now.
Regards,
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NOTE: Good grief-- sorry I cant get these image tags to work properly right now. I'll try to fix it later but you can cut and paste the url's for now.
I fixed them for ya.
I fixed them for ya.
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