Masterclass 2008?
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I'm not sure if there will be one, nothings been mentioned since the Porter and the Porter only had a few takers.
Part of the problem is finding a subject that has a ready source available for drive bricks and specialty detail parts, the Porter guys had to scramble for out of production Indy chassis, if you couldnt find one, you were out, the Mason-Bogie project got torpedoed by Barry's forced residence and business relocation and the ensueing delays that caused, some are still in progress, the CP Huntington and the Mogul worked out pretty well but then they used what at the time were all off-the-shelf components that were readily available.
So any Masterclass Project has to something that, A: people want to build. B: we can easily get drives for. and C: there are available detail parts for if needed. Otherwise you have to scratchbuild everything, which is part of the fun, but if you've ever tried building an air pump or a cowcatcher from scratch, you know it can go from fun to PITA in about 30 minutes.
I wouldnt mind doing another project myself, but what?
I didnt do the Porter because I like my Indy and have a 1/20 cab kit awaiting it so I didnt want to scrap it. Maybe what we really need to do is assess what Masterclass projects still remain, who might want to do another, and what projects are within reason.
Any comments from the rest?
Part of the problem is finding a subject that has a ready source available for drive bricks and specialty detail parts, the Porter guys had to scramble for out of production Indy chassis, if you couldnt find one, you were out, the Mason-Bogie project got torpedoed by Barry's forced residence and business relocation and the ensueing delays that caused, some are still in progress, the CP Huntington and the Mogul worked out pretty well but then they used what at the time were all off-the-shelf components that were readily available.
So any Masterclass Project has to something that, A: people want to build. B: we can easily get drives for. and C: there are available detail parts for if needed. Otherwise you have to scratchbuild everything, which is part of the fun, but if you've ever tried building an air pump or a cowcatcher from scratch, you know it can go from fun to PITA in about 30 minutes.
I wouldnt mind doing another project myself, but what?
I didnt do the Porter because I like my Indy and have a 1/20 cab kit awaiting it so I didnt want to scrap it. Maybe what we really need to do is assess what Masterclass projects still remain, who might want to do another, and what projects are within reason.
Any comments from the rest?
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I'm open to suggestions and volunteers for leading the projects. Unfortunately, I lack both the modeling skills and time to lead a project.. I definitely want to get the flow of articles going again..
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Still got loads of ideas for classes. I asked around last year, and the general comment was that people needed time to catch up, many still building Carter Bros cars. Not many Porters built yet, so I thought I'd hold any new roll outs. I still have the 2nd California Porter chapter to do.
In the mean time I'm spending lots of time on colour research and drawing ideas for possible Acc models.
David.
In the mean time I'm spending lots of time on colour research and drawing ideas for possible Acc models.
David.
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Howzabout some Carter Bros bullnose coaches? Something from the 1900 era? 
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Fletch was considering a C-16 for awhile, and it sounded interesting, but there are so many commercial C-xx engines already available that I would hesitate to commit that huge amount of time to something I could buy.
I should say here that I have been building the M-B for over a year now, and have only a handful of component bits made. Cab, boiler, cab and tender deck, pilot and pilot deck, a few others. No tender, backhead, ashpan or a thousand other details. Probably at least another year's work. Depends on my day job.
So, I would be interested in something that I couldn't buy. Somebody posted a link to a tiny narrow gauge 2-4-4-2 that ran in New Zealand for awhile. That's more like it. For me, anyway.
How about a MasterClass on how to do your own creation? Gathering data, and measuring from photos and... well, if I knew what else was needed, I wouldn't need a class, now, would I?
I should say here that I have been building the M-B for over a year now, and have only a handful of component bits made. Cab, boiler, cab and tender deck, pilot and pilot deck, a few others. No tender, backhead, ashpan or a thousand other details. Probably at least another year's work. Depends on my day job.
So, I would be interested in something that I couldn't buy. Somebody posted a link to a tiny narrow gauge 2-4-4-2 that ran in New Zealand for awhile. That's more like it. For me, anyway.
How about a MasterClass on how to do your own creation? Gathering data, and measuring from photos and... well, if I knew what else was needed, I wouldn't need a class, now, would I?
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Bronson-Tate Architectural Models has several of the kit types for sale. These are fine kits and well done. They include many parts like hinges, door handles, etc. Good luck.
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I still would like to build a 3 truck Shay in 1:20. Yes they are avaliable now but building one would be cool. But make the drive system work no motor blocks.
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Posted By astrayelmgod on 07/21/2008 5:32 PM
Somebody posted a link to a tiny narrow gauge 2-4-4-2 that ran in New Zealand for awhile.
Whoa, Where?
Id like to see any small articulated, or possibly a non modeled garatt
Somebody posted a link to a tiny narrow gauge 2-4-4-2 that ran in New Zealand for awhile.
Whoa, Where?
Id like to see any small articulated, or possibly a non modeled garatt
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I'll secont the request for a garratt. Maybe something other than an American prototype, for those of us with global interests. I've always liked the little 0-4-4-0 narrow gauge outside frame garratts, and have thought that the new B'mann diesel would be the perfect starting point. Heck, if you did that, the class would work for Fn3 and On30 at the same time!
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I agree with vsmith. Deciding on a motive project is difficult. I likewise agree with Chas - how about rolling stock? How about some accurate, company specific logging cars (skeletons and disconnects)? I'd gladly pitch in on techniques for cutting scale lumber. Perhaps someone else could chime in on casting techniques.
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While I would love to build one of these:
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I think I would be only one of about three others interested but...
I was recently thinking what about this:
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Why not?
We could use the same drive motor as the CP Huntington, it could be all styrene or a mix of styrene and metal, and its gear system is bulky enough it could be built so the bull gear mechanism could be operated the same way it is one the original. The Gazoo published a complete plans a couple years ago, so plans are not an issue.
Yes I know Missouri Model Works is issueing one this year, but dammit I'm poor, and cant afford a $800 locomotive no matter how nice it is.
Whatchya think? Anyone else intersted?
I think I would be only one of about three others interested but...
I was recently thinking what about this:
Why not?
We could use the same drive motor as the CP Huntington, it could be all styrene or a mix of styrene and metal, and its gear system is bulky enough it could be built so the bull gear mechanism could be operated the same way it is one the original. The Gazoo published a complete plans a couple years ago, so plans are not an issue.
Yes I know Missouri Model Works is issueing one this year, but dammit I'm poor, and cant afford a $800 locomotive no matter how nice it is.
Whatchya think? Anyone else intersted?
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Posted By vsmith on 07/22/2008 8:44 AM
Well, thats 2, I predicted 3 so who else to make the trio./DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/tongue.gif" border=0>
I will, I will! I've always loved these little engines.
The question is, what scale/gauge should it be? To me correct, shouldn't we work in 7/8n2 on 45 mm track, or maybe an O gauge mechanism and keep the scale 1:20.3?
Or do we cheat, and turn it into a 3' gauge engine? Somehow, I don't think stretching the gauge by 50% will look right.
Well, thats 2, I predicted 3 so who else to make the trio./DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/tongue.gif" border=0>
I will, I will! I've always loved these little engines.
The question is, what scale/gauge should it be? To me correct, shouldn't we work in 7/8n2 on 45 mm track, or maybe an O gauge mechanism and keep the scale 1:20.3?
Or do we cheat, and turn it into a 3' gauge engine? Somehow, I don't think stretching the gauge by 50% will look right.
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A comment about the masterclasses in general might be in order here...
I first found MLS because of the mogul masterclass, and I still refer people to it and the others whenever the subjects of kitbashing, scratchbuilding, or the toylike appearance of some large scale models are brought up. To me, the value of a masterclass is not in being part of a group of people building a given model, or of being able to purchase various parts as a bundle or at a discount. The greatest value is the fact that the information is there indefinitely so that, 5 years from now, when you're ready to start work, there it is, ready to go. The skills taught, the information given, the methods of work, all are valuable, even if you have no need for a Mason bogie, or a Mogul, or anything else that may be built.
I am currently working on a scratchbuilding project of my own, with techniques learned in reading and re-reading every old masterclass article I can find.
So no matter what the next subject may be, or how many people join in, there will be people like me who appreciate the work for years to come.
I first found MLS because of the mogul masterclass, and I still refer people to it and the others whenever the subjects of kitbashing, scratchbuilding, or the toylike appearance of some large scale models are brought up. To me, the value of a masterclass is not in being part of a group of people building a given model, or of being able to purchase various parts as a bundle or at a discount. The greatest value is the fact that the information is there indefinitely so that, 5 years from now, when you're ready to start work, there it is, ready to go. The skills taught, the information given, the methods of work, all are valuable, even if you have no need for a Mason bogie, or a Mogul, or anything else that may be built.
I am currently working on a scratchbuilding project of my own, with techniques learned in reading and re-reading every old masterclass article I can find.
So no matter what the next subject may be, or how many people join in, there will be people like me who appreciate the work for years to come.
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