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Im looking for the plans of impressive club tracks like the one in zube park, TX or that one in Japan.

I want to show what my simple loop that im proposing can turn into one day to impress them to say yes to my club track plan lol
Them = The 7.5 Gauge train club that im proposing too. (Tradewinds and Atlantic Railroad)
Pictures are also cool!s

This is an old posting of the zubi track http://archive.mylargescale.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=34818


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The Finger Lakes Live Steamers in Marengo NY went through a similar situation a few years back. While most members run the rideon sizes, especially 7.5 inch gauge, a strong minority wanted a gauge I track (45 mm). It took some effort but that track is now a reality at the Finger Lakes impressive club grounds.

Check out the website at http://fingerlakeslivesteamers.org/ and contact them direct for more information. The secretary, Roger Caiazza, was one of the prime instigators in getting the approval for and building the gauge I track at the club.

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Thanks for the link, there track is on the ground with the other 2 gauges and even has a steamup bay like the 7.5 Gauge. My idea was fence posts up in the air like most clubs do it.

Anyway I love different ideas and different ways we all enjoy this wonderful hobby!


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The Finger Lakes gauge I track is elevated at the steam up bays for ease of use. And it is on the ground elsewhere to facilitate the building of gardens. But that in itself does not preclude using any other form of trackage elevated or otherwise. The problem is club approval (and funding) not construction methodology.

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Yes I know,  I kind of have a 1up that the Tradewinds guys said that 1/2 of there members where interested in an elevated G gauge track before I even met them. The president (John Hollahan, very nice guy) told me to make up a proposal and he would get it approved,  we already have the land in the park to put the layout up and everything. My proposal is for a 20' X 30' raised loop to start, total pricing for track and all is around $2000 it looks like (running aristo brass so they can do electrics too). He said the club is in very good financial standing (from all those kid/public rides every month lol). Tradewinds and Atlantic has been around for 20 years so they are well established.

I am going to try my best and persue it, regardless I will be out there helping them with their 7.5 stuff anyway (I like all gauges), eventually they will give in hehe (but I dont think it will be a problem). What is really nice is that they have club engines. After they make sure you can drive them they will let ya.

BTW, my fathers homeowners association approved his layout, they put it in the "playground" classification. W00T

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OK,

I'll be the first to plug the Pennsylvania Live Steamers Ga. 1 track:





Around 300ft with an elevated section on cinder-block (backfilled on the front fascia to keep the garden appearance, see third picture) and a ground-level area, following the slope of the land.

Of course there are others, like Dr Rivet(Jim Stapleton)'s IE&W in Virgina, I'm sure he can post up his layout specs, and I have plenty of photos of the layout if your interested.

Somewhere I have the pamphlet that we made for the 10th anniversary of the track, has a good history and overview of building the track.
 

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Not to reveal Dr. Rivet's secrets but I think his is one of the very best layouts - one of my heros for layout design - over-the-top.  But if you can, why not?:cool:





Tough to do it justice unless you're at 5,000-10,000ft./DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/wow.gif   Here are three past (archive) threads with lots of pictures:

http://archive.mylargescale.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30743

http://archive.mylargescale.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30746

http://archive.mylargescale.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=41376

My 2 cents - I would add a large burm in the middle of one of the loops so your train disapears and then reappears again to add to the mystery and illusion of a train having traveled afar.  While I have the land for one, I'm still working on saving my coins.  My large 10 gallon jar is only a quarter full of coins to finance the build.  So if anyone wants to donate a few gold coins I would really appreciate it and of course a permanent invitation is your reward.:rolleyes:
 

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Posted By Chris Scott on 03/06/2008 8:13 AM
Not to reveal Dr. Rivet's secrets but I think his is one of the very best layouts - one of my heros for layout design - over-the-top.  But if you can, why not?:cool:





Tough to do it justice unless you're at 5,000-10,000ft./DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/wow.gif  


Is it visible on Google Earth?
 

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If I remember correctly, Jim indicate that the satellite photo did have the track present but the tree made it only a partial view.
 

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Andrew, Charles

Charles B. posted a bunch of photos from our May 2006 meet. The last photo in that post is an overhead view I provided to him. It was taken Oct 31, 2005.
Check the following archive link ===> http://archive.mylargescale.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=38887

The track plan has not expanded, but the Ga 0 loop was completed and some additional passing track added after the photo. For reference, the inside radius of the main line curves is 24 feet, the length of the circuit is 560 feet. Since there is no scenery or buildings, many will only give it the status of "locomotive test track". That is ok, I run many scales of equipment, so the buildings, etc would be visually incompatible with something, no matter what.

Chris, people already complain that the trains "get too far away". I would have to have on-site EMTs to deal with guys whose trains disappeared from view. Many cannot deal with the train disappearing under the "walk over" that goes from the deck to the center of the layout. Oh well.

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Posted By Dr Rivet on 03/09/2008 3:56 PM
 Since there is no scenery or buildings, many will only give it the status of "locomotive test track". 
                                                                                                                                    

Anyone that would say something that ridiculous about the best track in the Country is just showing their jealousy.  I have said before: Dr. Rivet's track is where good loco's should go when they die, It's like "Loco Heaven". :rolleyes:
 

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Posted By Steve S. on 03/09/2008 7:31 PM

  I have said before: Dr. Rivet's track is where good loco's should go when they die, It's like "Loco Heaven". :rolleyes:





Steve,

I dunno about committing engines to a nearly grave, but you are certainly right about loco heaven.  Let's just say they get a true enlightening and re-awakening to show their bounty is as good as their beauty!  The IE&W is a place for locos to live, or die trying....mostly on the grueling ~1.2% (Dr. Rivet, correct me on this if it's wrong) grade heading towards the walk-over (counterclockwize running)...now there's a challenge for most all engines!
 

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Thanks for the compliment. However, my track is not everyone's cup of tea. Also, I don't know what your criteria were for determining "BEST". It is NOT the longest (by far), it does NOT have the most storage tracks, It does NOT have the most interesting "operating profile" (grades), it does NOT have the most interesting track plan, it does NOT have the best track layout for efficient operation.

However, based on comments from people who have attended one or more of the 28 organized meets held here since 1994:

a] It is too long / too short
b] It has too many curves / not enough curves
c] It is too flat / has grades that are too steep
d] It is too high off the ground / too low to the ground
e] It has too many switches / crossovers / passing tracks
f] It needs more crossovers / passing tracks
g] It should be single track to make it interesting
h] It should have the passing tracks connected so there are four main lines instead of two
i] It has too many yard tracks (12) / too few yard tracks (12)
j] It needs more steaming bays (8) / NO ONE has said I have too many

I have had people claim that they "get lost" on the track because of the passing tracks. That is why the two crossovers between the two mains that are at about mid-point on the layout are ALWAYS locked down in "straight through" position during meets.

I will admit the track was in a "continuous rebuilding" phase from six months after it was first opened in 1994 until 1999. Since the complete reconstruction in 1999-2001, I have only made incremental improvements such as rebuilding the steaming bay track, adding the 7 track yard, finishing the Ga 0 loop, and realigning the major junction for the yard/steaming bay and the main running lines.

I am trying to finish my wife's storage building (it substitutes for the basement we do not have) so that I can have some covered storage tracks attached to the layout. If you look at the pic that appears twice in the thread; the building is now located to the right of the layout along the tree line.

In short, there are a lot of really nice layouts around the country, and depending on how and what you like to run, they are usually reflective of the builder's choices. I did not say DESIRES, becuse there are often constraints (not of the builder's doing) that limit what is ultimately accepted as a compromise.

Unfortunately, in my case, the length of the original layout was constrained because we decided it could not be longer than all the garden hose I owned in 1992 when Peter Jobusch and I dragged it around the trees in the yard. The only other rule at the time was that it would not look like a NASCAR oval. Considering that all Jo Anne wanted was another loop on which to run her LGB stuff, I did ok.

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The storage yards and steaming bay are as near to DEAD LEVEL as I could make them with pressure treated lumber.

The grade on the steaming bay lead is about 4.5%

The grades on the main line are 1 in 176 or about 0.7% There is a down grade on the main from the crossover from the outside main to the "get off track" (inbound yard lead) past the bridges. The up grade begins at the end of the tangent track in the "middle" of the layout and continues through the right hand curve all the way to the curve at the front of the layout closest to the driveway.

This gradient was established as follows: The pairs of support posts are spaced at 44 inches on the straight or inside of the curve. As cross memebers were attached to the pairs of posts to support the longitudinal stringers, a 1/4 inch spacer was placed on the next cross member, and a level run between then to set the height. This results in 1/4 inch change every 44 inches, or 1 inch in 176 inches.

I know it is not precisely correct becaause lumber shrinks and expands with the weather and shrinks with age. BUT, it is close enough to say LESS THAN ONE PERCENT.

I have NOT computed the effective compensated gradient due to friction from curvature, or the fact that that particular spot seems to accumulate more oil on the track than anywhere else.

All the best

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The club owner that I sent a standard oval proposal to (save money) came back and told me he wanted it done right and it has to be interesting. So I will makeup some track plans and submit the best one on this forum for people to pick apart and help me make it great. Thinking about a dogbone layout and looong s curvature for the center part (20' minimum radius) (2 lines, so the center part will have 4 tracks)

The other problem I have is that I have to find 5-10 more G scale enthusiats to help me run the track and be there most of the time. They dont want the new track to take away from the existing play/work crew for the 7.5 Gauge engines. The only way I know how to do this is to contact all the hobby shops (make flyers to show whats planned and that I need more people), Find the only G scale oriented club in south florida (Friends and Family G scale modular club) run by Bill Muenzenmaier, and get there members back together or ask on this board :p

The track will ahve to be oriented to electric and live steam, Im going to build it with stainless steel (club owner wants it done right) even if it costs more) and have electric blocks to turn on electric or off for live steam. Get the people with electrics interested and slowly convert them for live steam hehe. Live steam isnt as prominate in South Florida, as I know of anyway (even with all the people who live here, dont understand lol).

I will get it built and approve, It is just gonna take me a while (even if I start a club in my own backyard haha, due to apartment life, this cant happen yet, /DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/tongue2.gif)

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Andrew,
One place I think has 'done it right' is the Denver Garden Railway Society (DGRS), a club I used to belong to. They have two permanent layouts at the Colorado Railroad Museum in Golden. One is a ground level electric layout with scenery, bridges, buildings etc and the other is a dual track raised oval for live steamers. The layouts are fenced in, separate from other museum displays and includes a storage building. There are benches around the fence line for visitors to observe the trains. If you contact the club via their web site, I am certain they can provide you with pictures and drawings to give you more ideas. Their web site is:  http://www.denvergrs.org/
A good person to contact is Alan Olson.
 
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