[David Leech]

Hi Keith,
Can you be more specific?
Electric or live steam, scale?
Accucraft did the live steam Royal Hudson H1d and some flat sided passenger cars that say Canadian Pacific on their sides n 1/32 scale.
Aristocraft did their heavyweight cars in Canadian Pacific livery in 1/29 scale.
I modified a written off live steam Aster NYC Hudson into a H1b, which I still haven't finished!
I built some 1/32 curved sided passenger cars.
I don't think that I know of any others, does that help with your choice?
Cheers,
David Leech, Canada

 

[du-bousquetaire]

Keith : You got the answer from the most competent member of this forum on Canadian models, I would say. Very interesting job David on that hudson, I presume these were an earlier series than the Royal Hudsons?
Cheers Simon

 

[David Leech]

I presume these were an earlier series than the Royal Hudsons?

Simon,
That is correct, and in case anyone wants more detail:
The Canadian Pacific Hudsons were basically all the same, but the later ones became a little smoother looking.
The H1a and H1b were built in 1929 and 1930
The H1c were built in 1937 and were 'Royal Hudson' looking ones, and the H1d and H1e built 1938 and 1940.
Cheers,
David Leech, Canada

 

[tacfoley]

Here is the Accucraft Hudson H1e that Mr Leech mentioned - there might be a few left for sale, but you'd need to make contact with Accucraft in Union City CA - check out the Accucraft.com site. I've never seen one for sale used, yet, but then I don't move in North American/Canadian Gauge 1 circles.

Accucraft's passenger cars are of the generic type, and not truly scale models of anything except an anodyne smooth-sided car. They were made to be able to represent most every train company in North America, and do that job well, within their limitations. I have a full set of them and run them quite happily over here in UK, where I have yet to meet anybody who recognises that they are not correct. They differ substantially from my one-off smooth-sider from Alan Wright [Wrightlines] in Ontario. This loco will quite happily haul the Aristocraft heavyweights - all of which are rarer than rare things these days. They are, however, of a different scale - 10% too big for 1/32nd, but again, few give a hoot about that - they look great.

I strongly advise you to join the Gauge 1 Model Railway Association - G1MRA - which has a chapter in the USA run by Ernie Noah. Running Gauge 1 live-steam trains is not really the kind of pastime that you can indulge in by yourself - we all need to share our trains with like-minded people for help and advice.

 

[David Leech]

I should point out that I am incorrect with my earlier statement.
Accucrafts model, 2860 is in fact an H1e, not as I stated H1d.
The last five Royal Hudsons, 2860-2864 built in 1940 were the class H1e, the only ones to be built as oil burners, whilst some of the earlier coal fired ones were eventually also converted to oil.
Tac, Accucrafts Royal Hudsons do come up used every now and then, but normally snapped up by those in the know quickly, so they don't usually get advertised too often.
Cheers,
David Leech, Canada

 

[du-bousquetaire]

Thanks for the fill in on CP locomotive history guys, I like Canadian railroads love their livery (both CP and CN) and used to ride behind quite a few ex Canadian locos in Steamtown when it was in Bellows Falls, but am no expert on it as you can't spread your modeling everywhere. I guess that the Royal Hudson is a more modern order of basically same engine with improvements and a very much reviewed esthetics. I remember seeing some of those brilliant looking 4-4-4 that where on exhibit at steamtown then amongs the many other goodies. Then later when modeling in HO the B & M RR I got interested in Ventral of Vermont a subsidy of CN... From what I read in the G1MRA Newsletter the Accucraft one seems like a fine performing engine.

 

[Keith Colby]

You Guys are great. It's nice to talk with people that have knowledge of this stuff. I have a project I am working on that will be 225 feet of track suspended to look like a trestle. See pictures attached of my current setup in my basement. need to find the locomotive and 3 or 4 passenger cars. CP. My friend has this set i am looking for and it has not turned a wheel but will no part with it. see attached pics. Any help in finding the peices would be greatly appreciated

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[Keith Colby]

I am looking for an electric as this is an indoor application. I was looking for a 444 Chinook CP train but I do not think one was ever made. A Hudson with DCC and sound would be preferred but they a few and far between I am still hopeful. The cars I was thinking of would be the Aristcraft pullmans. I might just have to settle on a mikato 262 or 462. Train guys just do not part with there babies. Does anyone know of a model kit that could be purchased I might have to build it from the ground up. I do have access to 3D printer
Thoughts

 

[tacfoley]

I am looking for an electric as this is an indoor application. I was looking for a 444 Chinook CP train but I do not think one was ever made. A Hudson with DCC and sound would be preferred but they a few and far between I am still hopeful. The cars I was thinking of would be the Aristcraft pullmans. I might just have to settle on a mikato 262 or 462. Train guys just do not part with there babies. Does anyone know of a model kit that could be purchased I might have to build it from the ground up. I do have access to 3D printer Thoughts

We should perhaps clear a few things up - to my knowledge, no manufacturer has ever made an electrically-powered Gauge 1 Hudson in CPR livery. So, 'few and far between' indeed.

A mikado is the nickname given to a 2-8-2 locomotive that was sent to Japan - hence the name - the example that you have shown is the LGB 141R, and the prototype was an American-built loco made in large numbers to help the French rail transport system that had taken more than a few knocks during WW2. A 2-6-2 is known as a 'prairie' and 4-6-2 as a 'Pacific'.

I recall that the 4-4-4 CPR locomotive was known as the 'Jubilee', but I might be mistaken there. No models were ever mass-produced in large scale, although they may have been made in limited numbers by the old Japanese or Korean brass model makers.

No model kits for these locos exist, although USA Trains DID make a New York Central J1e Hudson with digital sound and their version of a kind of DCC. You could find one and convert it to a look-similar-to a Canadian loco, but you need a lot of skill and a whole lot more imagination to do it. The boiler, smokebox, cab and tender are also very different to the CPR loco...

All that pales into insignificance, however, when you say that you intend to run your trains around the ceiling - the 40.5 inch long USA Trains Hudson is die-cast from one end to the other, and weighs around 40 pounds or more. Some serious support engineering would need to be taken into consideration before running THAT baby around your basement at seven feet or more in the air with track at a minimum radius of 8ft.

 

[fredlub]

I recall that the 4-4-4 CPR locomotive was known as the 'Jubilee', but I might be mistaken there. No models were ever mass-produced in large scale, although they may have been made in limited numbers by the old Japanese or Korean brass model makers.

Here is my CPR Jubilee:

Regards
Fred

 

[Keith Colby]

Fred
I have seen your Jubilee on line and I have marveled at it. That is the complete train I am looking to build. I work for a company called Chinook Rail and they were named after the 4-4-4 jubilee that ran between Edmonton and Calgary. I would like to talk directly with you by phone would you be up for that. Your motel is amazing.

Tacfoly
My buddies train is a Aristo-Craft 21416 G Canadian National 4-6-2 Pacific Steam Loco & Tender. I thought it was a Hudson. His cars are the Aristo-craft 31716 and 31316 A . They look amazing. I would just like to setup some kind of a steam setup that was from that era and rebrand if necessary. I have taken into consideration the weight of my current setup and have the walls all the way along one side. So with the application i am suggesting the trestle supports will be more numerous with ready rod to give it the look I want and wooden v frames.

When completed, the train will run around the track once (224 ft.) on the top of every hr. 8 loops per day. Stopping at a mock station to wait till the next hr.

Yes I have high hopes but have been working on my home system for many years to make it into a clock where it moves around the ceiling every hr and move to the Hr trestle marks. Work in progress.

Working with this size of train is different as there seams to be only very few people doing it and have not found anyone in my area that has a functional setup operating. There was a guy in Nanton Alberta but he is out of it now and that who I bought my stuff from.

Thanks for the pics and the insites.

 

[David Leech]

Well, since we are looking at Jubilee class locos and the Chinook, here is my Gauge 1 Canadian Pacific class F2a number 3000 running in my garden.
This loco is live steam and was built by Paul Huntington in 2006, and I feel very fortunate to have the model in my collection.
The 'actual' Chinook loco was number 3001 and ran the fast intercity train between Calgary and Edmonton.
This class of loco had 80 inch driving wheels, so was designed for speed.
Cheers,
David Leech, Canada

 

[tacfoley]

Well, since we are looking at Jubilee class locos and the Chinook, here is my Gauge 1 Canadian Pacific class F2a number 3000 running in my garden.
This loco is live steam and was built by Paul Huntington in 2006, and I feel very fortunate to have the model in my collection.
The 'actual' Chinook loco was number 3001 and ran the fast intercity train between Calgary and Edmonton.
This class of loco had 80 inch driving wheels, so was designed for speed.
Cheers,
David Leech, Canada

Elegance in action! What a beauty!

 

[tacfoley]

My buddies train is a Aristo-Craft 21416 G Canadian National 4-6-2 Pacific Steam Loco & Tender. I thought it was a Hudson.

Pacific = 4-6-2. Hudson = 4-6-4.

A forty-pound object moving around a suspended 'ledge' is something I'd pay money to see. Good luck with that one, Sir.

 

[Greg Elmassian]

Like TAC said.. and I have a 1:29 hudson (USAT) it must weigh 2 to almost 3 times an Aristo pacific... I think the Hudson's tender weighs the same as the Aristo loco!!

Pacific: 4-6-2

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Hudson: 4-6-4

 

[du-bousquetaire]

Boy that Jubilee David is beautiful. I find it one of the most beautiful streamlined locomotive ever, far better esthetics than the Milwaukee Hiawatha atlantics. it used to be visible at Steamtown in Bellows Falls, I don't know if it still exists in that collection today.
Paul Huntington was a prolific builder. I would give an arm to find his PRR J1 or Q2. I think that Jason has a few of his locomotives too. It interested me because I lived, a long time ago in the Boston suburbs and modeled the B&M in HO in the 1970s, was an early member of the B&M Historical Society then.