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Posted By rkapuaala on 02/19/2008 9:08 PM
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Hows this Bob?
Needs some touch up and a mold, so it should be ready by Next Friday.
Richard -
A truely magnificent figure of the president. (The rumpled pants and frock coat are quite correct - no such thing as dry cleaners back then.) Being something of a Civil War buff (in addition to my other interests, which you already know about) and a long-time reenactor (see below, that's me in the movie "Gettysburg" trying to save the colors) I can tell you that no self respecting 19th Century gentleman, much less the president of the United States, would go about without his hat.
I'd suggest that you come up with a representation of his signature "stovepipe" hat for him to hold in one of his hands. Probably easier said than done, but, I think, not for someone of your talent.
Another thing I just thought of - didn't he have a rather prominent mole just to the lower right of his nose? Maybe I'm missing it in your photo of the figure. Just my two cents worth.
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Hows this Bob?
Needs some touch up and a mold, so it should be ready by Next Friday.
Richard -
A truely magnificent figure of the president. (The rumpled pants and frock coat are quite correct - no such thing as dry cleaners back then.) Being something of a Civil War buff (in addition to my other interests, which you already know about) and a long-time reenactor (see below, that's me in the movie "Gettysburg" trying to save the colors) I can tell you that no self respecting 19th Century gentleman, much less the president of the United States, would go about without his hat.
I'd suggest that you come up with a representation of his signature "stovepipe" hat for him to hold in one of his hands. Probably easier said than done, but, I think, not for someone of your talent.
Another thing I just thought of - didn't he have a rather prominent mole just to the lower right of his nose? Maybe I'm missing it in your photo of the figure. Just my two cents worth.
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Jack,
You are a movie star too! Cool. How about some pics of you in your civil war costume, standing at rest arms. I would like to see one front, one back and one on each side without the backpack and the same with the backpack.
I left the mole out on purpose. 1. It is one of the finer details that get dimensiones when you paint the figure and needs to be added back on any way. 2. If you put a mole and a beard like that on Alfred E Newman, everyone thinks its Lincoln.
I'm working on the stove pipe hat, but its not going to be easy. I've had a couple of failures because of lack of a clear image of his hat. Most of the images are very small and blurry.
I will release him as is, since he will be good for standing on a coach or in the oval office. He won't be able to go outside till I get the hat finished is all.
You are a movie star too! Cool. How about some pics of you in your civil war costume, standing at rest arms. I would like to see one front, one back and one on each side without the backpack and the same with the backpack.
I left the mole out on purpose. 1. It is one of the finer details that get dimensiones when you paint the figure and needs to be added back on any way. 2. If you put a mole and a beard like that on Alfred E Newman, everyone thinks its Lincoln.
I'm working on the stove pipe hat, but its not going to be easy. I've had a couple of failures because of lack of a clear image of his hat. Most of the images are very small and blurry.
I will release him as is, since he will be good for standing on a coach or in the oval office. He won't be able to go outside till I get the hat finished is all.
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Richard,
Go ahead and make the stove pipe hat seperate. For that matter also do Stetsons, sombreros, etc. There are figures that are in need of your help. I too am ready for the President Lincoln.
Thanks,
Rich Schiffman
Go ahead and make the stove pipe hat seperate. For that matter also do Stetsons, sombreros, etc. There are figures that are in need of your help. I too am ready for the President Lincoln.
Thanks,
Rich Schiffman
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Posted By rkapuaala on 02/21/2008 9:24 AM
Jack,
You are a movie star too! Cool. How about some pics of you in your civil war costume, standing at rest arms. I would like to see one front, one back and one on each side without the backpack and the same with the backpack.
I left the mole out on purpose. 1. It is one of the finer details that get dimensiones when you paint the figure and needs to be added back on any way. 2. If you put a mole and a beard like that on Alfred E Newman, everyone thinks its Lincoln.
I'm working on the stove pipe hat, but its not going to be easy. I've had a couple of failures because of lack of a clear image of his hat. Most of the images are very small and blurry.
I will release him as is, since he will be good for standing on a coach or in the oval office. He won't be able to go outside till I get the hat finished is all.
Richard -
Here's the best photo I know of Lincoln wearing his top hat:
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Taken at Antietam in 1862
If you go to these websites, you can see this and another photo taken at the same time in really high resolution:
http://www.zazzle.com/lincoln_pinkerton_and_mcclernand_1862_print-228931545795186380
http://www.zazzle.com/lincoln_pinkerton_and_mcclernand_at_antietam_1862_print-228859414098925816?ZCMP=ProductPageRecs2
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As for more pix of me in my Civil War uniform (not "costume" - a point of pride among us reenactors) here are some more screen captures from the movie "Gettysburg":
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In addition to portraying a color sergeant in the 124th New York Vol. Infantry (see posting above,) I was also a company commander in the 20th Maine sequences on the second day of the battle.
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and here's a good closeup of me as an officer (I was commanding the honor guard for Gen. Colin Powell in G'burg at the time this was taken.)
Hope these are helpful to you, Rich. Keep up the good work.
Jack,
You are a movie star too! Cool. How about some pics of you in your civil war costume, standing at rest arms. I would like to see one front, one back and one on each side without the backpack and the same with the backpack.
I left the mole out on purpose. 1. It is one of the finer details that get dimensiones when you paint the figure and needs to be added back on any way. 2. If you put a mole and a beard like that on Alfred E Newman, everyone thinks its Lincoln.
I'm working on the stove pipe hat, but its not going to be easy. I've had a couple of failures because of lack of a clear image of his hat. Most of the images are very small and blurry.
I will release him as is, since he will be good for standing on a coach or in the oval office. He won't be able to go outside till I get the hat finished is all.
Richard -
Here's the best photo I know of Lincoln wearing his top hat:
Taken at Antietam in 1862
If you go to these websites, you can see this and another photo taken at the same time in really high resolution:
http://www.zazzle.com/lincoln_pinkerton_and_mcclernand_1862_print-228931545795186380
http://www.zazzle.com/lincoln_pinkerton_and_mcclernand_at_antietam_1862_print-228859414098925816?ZCMP=ProductPageRecs2
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As for more pix of me in my Civil War uniform (not "costume" - a point of pride among us reenactors) here are some more screen captures from the movie "Gettysburg":
In addition to portraying a color sergeant in the 124th New York Vol. Infantry (see posting above,) I was also a company commander in the 20th Maine sequences on the second day of the battle.
and here's a good closeup of me as an officer (I was commanding the honor guard for Gen. Colin Powell in G'burg at the time this was taken.)
Hope these are helpful to you, Rich. Keep up the good work.
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Thanks Jack, I have that image and the rest from that site already, but they just don't tell me much about the hat.
Also, I'm planning on some civil war soldiers and am in the process of researching their uniforms. I found a lot of grainy images from that site you mentioned and others on the internet, but what I lack is good closeups of a civil war soldier in the same pose front, back and sides. If you could take some time to don your uniform and have someone walk around you taking pictures while you are standing at ease with your rifle at rest, with and without a pack, then with a pack, you will be rewarded with a 5 free unpainted copies of the end product.
I have an old 1864 springfield rifle, but no colt side arm or the holster and pouches. Some good shots of that would also be appreciated and some shots of the soles of the boots from the bottom. I've just been making guesses about boot design.
Then I can get that cannon from Ozark minitures and have a great civil war diaorama for my layout. I'll have Lincoln reviewing the troops
Also, I'm planning on some civil war soldiers and am in the process of researching their uniforms. I found a lot of grainy images from that site you mentioned and others on the internet, but what I lack is good closeups of a civil war soldier in the same pose front, back and sides. If you could take some time to don your uniform and have someone walk around you taking pictures while you are standing at ease with your rifle at rest, with and without a pack, then with a pack, you will be rewarded with a 5 free unpainted copies of the end product.
I have an old 1864 springfield rifle, but no colt side arm or the holster and pouches. Some good shots of that would also be appreciated and some shots of the soles of the boots from the bottom. I've just been making guesses about boot design.
Then I can get that cannon from Ozark minitures and have a great civil war diaorama for my layout. I'll have Lincoln reviewing the troops
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Richard -
Unfortunately, I have become too much of (what we reenactors call) a "TBG" * to accurately depict a Civil War soldier any more. Fortunately, on the other hand, my son, Steve, is also a reenactor in the 5th New York Duryee Zouaves (I guess the acorn really doesn't fall too far from the tree) and, as a Fairfax County Sheriff's Deputy, he still very much looks the part.
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That's him on the right.
I'll get him into his blue uniform, pose him any way you'd like and take some good digital shots of him. If you give me a specific pose you'd like to see, I'll try to get him to do it - he still does what I say (some of the time.)
Meanwhile, here's a few shots I took of my friends in Company K, 1st Pennsylvania Reserves at Gaines Mill a few years ago. They're some of the best in the business.
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Once again, hope you find all this useful.
* Tubby, bearded guy
Unfortunately, I have become too much of (what we reenactors call) a "TBG" * to accurately depict a Civil War soldier any more. Fortunately, on the other hand, my son, Steve, is also a reenactor in the 5th New York Duryee Zouaves (I guess the acorn really doesn't fall too far from the tree) and, as a Fairfax County Sheriff's Deputy, he still very much looks the part.
That's him on the right.
I'll get him into his blue uniform, pose him any way you'd like and take some good digital shots of him. If you give me a specific pose you'd like to see, I'll try to get him to do it - he still does what I say (some of the time.)
Meanwhile, here's a few shots I took of my friends in Company K, 1st Pennsylvania Reserves at Gaines Mill a few years ago. They're some of the best in the business.
Once again, hope you find all this useful.
* Tubby, bearded guy
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Not sure I remember my marshall of arms right, but I think the stance is rest arms?
The soldier has rifle at his side tilted forward,
The muzzle is in his right hand which is extended slightly to hold the weapon,
His feet are apart,
His left hand is held at the small of his back,
His eyes are straight ahead,
Was that a stance used in the civil war?
Wasn't going to do a likeness of anyone on this piece though. For the first time I was going to do a generic face so that it could be modify slightly with paint or putty and give the impression of having a lot of different individuals when in deed it is really just one figure. (Hope that makes sense)
I will be doing some likeness of some of the commissioned officers though, especially my two favorites for the union Sherman and Grant and my one favorite for the south Lee.
The soldier has rifle at his side tilted forward,
The muzzle is in his right hand which is extended slightly to hold the weapon,
His feet are apart,
His left hand is held at the small of his back,
His eyes are straight ahead,
Was that a stance used in the civil war?
Wasn't going to do a likeness of anyone on this piece though. For the first time I was going to do a generic face so that it could be modify slightly with paint or putty and give the impression of having a lot of different individuals when in deed it is really just one figure. (Hope that makes sense)
I will be doing some likeness of some of the commissioned officers though, especially my two favorites for the union Sherman and Grant and my one favorite for the south Lee.
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We would call that pose "Parade Rest" in the USMC.
www.hardscrabblefarm.com/images/ww2/drill_manual/parade_rest.gif
www.hardscrabblefarm.com/images/ww2/drill_manual/parade_rest.gif
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Right you are, Doug.
The position Richard is describing is the current "Parade Rest" as prescribed by The Landing Party Manual used by the U. S. Navy and Marine Corps. Here's what it looks like:
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The closest thing to what I think Richard is looking for, according to Hardee's Light Infantry Tactics (one of the commonly used drill manuals of the period, and the one I used) is the position of "In Place, Rest", shown here in a period photo:
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Would something like that work for you, Richard?
The position Richard is describing is the current "Parade Rest" as prescribed by The Landing Party Manual used by the U. S. Navy and Marine Corps. Here's what it looks like:
The closest thing to what I think Richard is looking for, according to Hardee's Light Infantry Tactics (one of the commonly used drill manuals of the period, and the one I used) is the position of "In Place, Rest", shown here in a period photo:
Would something like that work for you, Richard?
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Jack,
Being from Texas, I have to say, the wrong side won..........
stop, don't write anything nasty....all in fun.....
YeeeHaaa
Rich Schiffman
Being from Texas, I have to say, the wrong side won..........
stop, don't write anything nasty....all in fun.....
YeeeHaaa
Rich Schiffman
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Richard, Jack,
The date of Texas becoming a state was December 29, 1845. So, it would seem we were indeed part of the Confederacy during the Civil War.
There are several re-enactment groups here, mostly the Rebs win. I will admit the pictures Jack posted are stunning. Thanks,
Rich Schiffman
The date of Texas becoming a state was December 29, 1845. So, it would seem we were indeed part of the Confederacy during the Civil War.
There are several re-enactment groups here, mostly the Rebs win. I will admit the pictures Jack posted are stunning. Thanks,
Rich Schiffman
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Richard-
Actually, California was a state by then, too. Admitted to the union in 1850.
In fact, the state fielded some military units for the Union Army. In 1862, five companies of the 2nd Massachusetts Cavalry (also known as "The California 100" ) were raised and mustered into service on behalf of the State of Massachusetts. They left San Francisco by sea to fight "at the seat of the war," as it was termed then. They eventually participated in 51 battles, campaigns, and skirmishes.
Actually, California was a state by then, too. Admitted to the union in 1850.
In fact, the state fielded some military units for the Union Army. In 1862, five companies of the 2nd Massachusetts Cavalry (also known as "The California 100" ) were raised and mustered into service on behalf of the State of Massachusetts. They left San Francisco by sea to fight "at the seat of the war," as it was termed then. They eventually participated in 51 battles, campaigns, and skirmishes.
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