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This looks great!

QSI NCE GWIRE PRO CAB WIRELESS THROTTLE

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This is the next generation wireless G scale Throttle loaded
with features at a comparable cost to the current Air-Wire™
products!
Most User Friendly Format!
Runs 4 locomotives or consists at one time!
Operates 29 Function Controls!
Operates Stationery Decoders without any special accessories!
Instant Push Button Control of Locomotive Momentum!
Large 32 Character, Easy to Read, LCD Display gives you
Address, Speed Direction and Active Functions and more!
Discreet Push Button Control of all the Popular Locomotive
Control Functions!
Thumb Wheel or Push Button Control of Locomotive Speed
and Direction!
Rugged, Quality Ergonomic Design!
Compatible with al QSI,l Quantum, DC/DCC Sound Power
Decoders and all Air-Wire™ Receivers/Decoders!
Operates also as a DCC Pro-Cab for all NCE, DCC Systems.
Here is the link


http://www.rldhobbies.com/ProductImages/qsi/GWire%20ProCab%20Promo[1].bmp
 

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Looks like my NCE wireless pro cab, but different label. Since the NCE pro cab already works on 900 MHz, just some simple software changes to transmit to AirWire.

I use NCE wireless, and love the product and the company, so sounds great.

Regards, Greg
 

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How about the display is lit also.

I talked to Josh at Tony's Trains and they are the ones that got NCE to produce it and it should be in in about 30 days. They wanted something better for their users of the QSI/G-wire sets. If you ever had to call and deal with CVP on a maint. item on the t-9000 like me you would know what I mean. Its like dealing with cable tv customer service. Jake
 

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I think this will be an excellent combination, QSI and NCE. I am very excited about this. I just recieved a QSI magnum board for my older U25 and hoping QSI will get thier USAT board for my (opened and waiting) GP7/9 on the market soon! I like what Tony is doing. I'm also hoping that the NCE repeater system will work with this throttle for really long range battery operations or trouble spots. I would love to run traditional DCC outdoors but I started collecting track a long time ago so it is all brass. I like to think QSI, NCE and battery will get me a complete, dependable, expandable system. Here's to the future of large scale trains and hopefully a better economy!
 

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RIrail: Just as info I just finished up with one of our club members laying 160 ft of brass track and using the NCE wireless DCC system. Right out of the chute we had 20 volts to the rail all over the layout. Some of his track was brand new some used and not so cleaan. Ran his RS3 and my USAT S4 with no problems. I also use the NCE wireless system and really like it for operating all my QSI equip locos. So far have 25 units operating with QSI. Later RJD
 

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The throttle will transmit DIRECTLY to the loco, just like the other AirWire systems.

So you will not have the ability to have several base stations and unlimited range.

Why, if you will run track power, do you want to spend $80 more per loco for less capability?

Run DCC to the track....

Regards, Greg
 

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The NCE gwire hammerhead and the qsi motor/sound decoder is what I've been waiting for for a while now!! Sweet setup....
However, why is QSI ripping us off on the Gwire board?? 108 bucks now?? come on... its a $44 dollar chip (not in bulk) and no more then 5 bucks for the rest of the parts. Maybe its time we start building these ourselves...

-Ray
 

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Greg, I thought the same thing g-wire =$96 + battery = $40 totals $136 extra or equal to another QSI card. But what I did gives me the best of both I have the engines that I usually take to other layouts with the g-wire and no battery. This way if they have DC I can run or if they have DCC I can run, both ways using the g-wire and T-9000 using the power off the rails of both. On my home layout I have NCE DCC and just switch off the G-wire and use the NCE wireless controller unless I want to use or need to use two controllers for switching operations in the yard then I will turn on that G-wire. I have 7 engines with the g-wire and 12 without all QSI and have had no issues other then senior moments when I forget or transpose an engine number. I even have a double door box with 2 18v 3.0 batteries for a total of 6 amps for the g-wire units for I go to the only layout that I know that is pure battery.

Ray, I agree you now we need some of the electrical experts to look at and come up with a how-to. Jake
 

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So let me get this straight in laymens terms?

I ca now get a NCE controlelr that will broadcast both to a Gwire reciever running a QSI decoder or an Airwire reciever (either running on batteries) AND to a "traditional" DCC equiped loco running from track power? Giving me the flexability to run my trains with one controller no matter if they are track or battery powered?

Chas
 

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Posted By wchasr on 02/20/2009 8:53 AM
So let me get this straight in laymens terms?

I ca now get a NCE controlelr that will broadcast both to a Gwire reciever running a QSI decoder or an Airwire reciever (either running on batteries) AND to a "traditional" DCC equiped loco running from track power? Giving me the flexability to run my trains with one controller no matter if they are track or battery powered?

Chas


You could do this with an Airwire throttle right now.

But I'm delighted to see this--Airwire is working well for me but it's great to have more choices and competition
 

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Posted By ConrailRay on 02/19/2009 9:08 PM
.....SNIP......
However, why is QSI ripping us off on the Gwire board?? 108 bucks now?? come on... its a $44 dollar chip (not in bulk) and no more then 5 bucks for the rest of the parts. Maybe its time we start building these ourselves...

OH, yea - how about the "AUX LIGHT" board due out next month...next month...next month...next month...??
Which MONTH of WHAT YEAR??[/b]
 

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I share the frustration, I want the aux light board, but I have posted several times that the board, while designed quite a while ago, would just have to be too expensive, since it requires an additional lighting controller, street price might have to be 70-80 bucks.

I agree with Tony Parisi that this just does not make sense at this time. Tony is working on integrating the lighting controller into the QSI boards proper to reduce the overall cost. I agree, no one will buy an extra lighting board for $70-80 bucks.

The Gwire cost seems high also, but remember that it does cost some money to put it on a board, and the couple of components and the little cable. I believe it could be cheaper, but perhaps it's the volume the product must be purchased in. We have to remember that when you say it's a$40 chip, what quantity are you talking? If you are talking 10,000 unit quantity, then that's not realistic.

Maybe the price can come down.

One small clarification on the NCE throttle: It works as a NCE wireless throttle in the NCE system, i.e. it communications to base stations, which then connect to the DCC command station, which puts DCC signals on the rails (through a booster).

The other mode is DIRECTLY from the throttle to a receiver in a loco, either a "Real" AirWire receiver, or a QSI/Gwire combination.

Regards, Greg
 

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Greg,
That's what I was getting at. If I've already got a loco with an Airwire reciever (or a QSI & Gwire) set up I can control it on my DCC layout with my NCE controller as well? Sounds liek the simple answer is yes? The real answer is likely a bit more complicated though I'm sure.

Chas
 

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I'm not Greg but I believe you would have to install a cutoff switch to disable the Gwire card (not hard to do), but would the existing NCE wireless base station work with the new NCE wireless throttle? Hmm. If it did, I'd expect the Airiwre throttle to work as well. I'm guessing you need a dfferent wireless base station, or this new throttle, or a software upgrade. Hmmm. That suggests to me that Airwire throttle could work as well. Interesting
 

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Chas:

The way your question is worded, it makes it ambiguous to me.

1. you use the term NCE controller.... I will assume you mean NCE cab, the hand held unit.

2. A "real" AirWire "brand" receiver is a wireless receiver, it picks up it's commands from the air. This new NCE cab will transmit directly to it.

3. A QSI board can work just like (2) above with the addition of the Gwire radio receiver. ALSO, if you "turn off" the Gwire, it can pick up DCC from the rails.

4. If you have a QSI in the "pick up from the rails" mode, then a NCE cab of ANY type will be able to control the QSI equipped loco. In this case the NCE wireless cab transmits to a NCE base station, and then that goes to the NCE command station, and then to the rails.

To make a QSI+Gwire system to work this way, you add a SPST switch to the "radio disable" pads on the Gwire board.

Regards, Greg
 

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The new cab speaks to the existing NCE base station just like they used to. I believe the transmission mode is one or the other, not both at the same time.

Look, the "standard" wireless cab system is 900 MHz on the NCE... the AirWire interface is 900 MHZ, so just a difference in transmitting protocols.

I think you are thinking that the new cab transmits to BOTH different protocols at the same time... I would venture to say no way.

Is this what you were thinking? Both protocols simultaneously?

Regards, Greg
 
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