Interesting, your comment about the K4. /DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/sad.gif Are you able to compare the K4 with the Aristo Pacific? I have also been looking with interest at the K4.
the 1st one i received after 15 minutes of running the side rod came loose from the driver and jammed up into the boiler and put a hole clear thru it, my girlfreind thought it was funny but i didn't so back it went 3 weeks later a new one arrived with a front marker light not working i wasn't to happy cause to replace it you have to remove the boiler so for the time being its out, second thing was after running for a hour the power pickup that is under the loco wheel loosened up and shorted out on the driver when going into a corner the spark show was great but not so good for the loco, mine has no internal fuse so when it shorted it fried the sound board so bad it had to go back to be repaired, when i got it back,and fixed the short it worked, but that stupid drum for the cuff was bad now cliff sent me a new one and it still didn't cuff right so i'm reprograming the board and adding some thermal fuses ray is sending me and then i will add a 55474 receiver so i can make the horn and the bell work.. all in all this is a nice piece for 700.00. it was well engineered, but assembled poorly, the parts are right just not put together on some models to well, unlike aristo's steam that is engineered poorly and from what a lot of people said thats why they fail plus aristo still hasn't learned to fix there problems before putting out more new products with the same flaws, maybe they should fire there enineers and there customer service manager and hire the guys that spend so much of there own time trying to come up with repairs so they can run there engines reliably and then aristo takes there customer ideals to repair there own product that should have been right in the 1st place....but hay, thats a subject for another time..../DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/hehe.gif
And JIM there is no comparison between aristo and AML you pay alittle more but in the end aml fit and finish far exceeds aristo's and it only pulls one amp!!!! ive had so far 25 cars hooked to to it and it just keeps pulling, i would be afraid to do that with aristo's steamer......but thats my opion
hands down the nicest bestest greatest steamer i have is my 2 usa hudsons there from the third run of these perfect in every aspect.........
Posted By pimanjc on 01/23/2008 7:33 PM
Thanks for the good info. Can you tell us what the minimum radius/diameter curve or switch the K4 can handle?
I have ran mine on 4ft dia, yes i said 4ft..../DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/shocked.gif just to see if it would go around the xmas tree and it did with a car in tow... mine will be run on no lees than 10ft maybe even 20ft dia i am working on the layout plans as we speak.. the center driver has no flange, so i beleave this is why it will go arond that tight of a curve BUT.... i wouldn't reccomend it on a regular basis.../DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/hehe.gif
Shad - Nick's talking about the Accucraft Pennsylvania Railroad K-4 Pacific, not the Bachmann 2-8-2 K-27.
I think it is OK for Nick to voice his opinion and relay his experiences with the Accucraft model on this thread since there is no GP-60 yet. Based on Nick's experiences of bad wiring and poor assembly and QC (Nick - sounds like Accucraft should fire their engineers, too), it would lead me to believe that the GP-60 may suffer similar problems unless Accucraft steps up their QC.
Nick- what problems are you having with you aristo steamers? My mikado is the real workhorse of my line, hauling as many as 20 cars and being the primary snow fighting motive power. I am more gentle with my LGB mikado, which while larger, is more likely to have a drive train failure (we're on gearbox #2).
I'd think the real difference between the Aristo 4-6-2 and the Accucraft 4-6-2 is the detail. Where the Aristo is almost as old as the LGB mogul, in terms of mold age, the Accucraft came out what? 2 years ago? Totally different targeted markets. Before the Accucraft, if you wanted a K4, you had two choices, the Aster live steam or Aster electric. The Accucraft is a scale model of a K-4 paciifc. The Aristo pacific, on the other hand, is a pretty close approximation of the B&O P-7, but as B&O fans will point out, only really close to one of the series. It would have been better if Aristo had chosen a standard USRA design way back when, but that's in the past, and they have decided not to redo those molds.
From the sound of it, if you want a passenger steam engine as a runner, but don't have an extra $2000, go for the aristo pacific and a sound board. If you want a K4, what are you waiting for?
Back to the GP-60.....for me, I could really care less. How different is it really from a GP-38 or GP-40? I think there's a whole bunch of folks that really want older, six axle diesels, like a SD-7 or a SD-9 or maybe even a F-M Trainmaster. So why continue to produce models that look so similar? I'd be excited if it was a DL-109.... However, I do hope it does not have the electrical issues and other issues that seem to plauge some of the accraft offerings...
The reason for my excitement on the GP60 is for the GP60M Warbonnet - WIDE BODY version they will offer.
Mark, you correctly mentioned that this thread is discussing the ACCUCRAFT K4, not the Bachmann k27. As the original author of this thread, I am as much at fault on the diversion to the K4 as much as anyone. I tried to go back and edit my original post SUBJECT to include the K4, but was unable. I appreciate all the great discussion about both engines.
Nick, thanks for the feedback. Mine has only a few minutes running, as I am taking the boiler off to set it up for DCC. Sounds like checking everything over for tightness would be my best bet. It's a beauty, and will finally have a Pacific that can pull a prototype string of passenger cars.
After reading the above horror story I guess I was lucky with my two. One had a defective chuff drum, which is a poor design from the start, and the other had shorting problems with the pilot truck. Other than that they are my favorate locomotives, right up there with my Hudson (USA). I must add that Cliff @ Accucraft will ALWAYS return calls, and is more than helpful with advice and replacement parts when necessary. Nick Jr