Accucraft Flying Scotsman

Yes, there are three or four makers of suitable coaches for this model.


The G1 newsletter contains all of them, and as I am presently in Cannon Beach Oregon, I can't give you the details - no doubt Mr Pullen will fill in the details.  Depending on the era you wish to portray, the wonderful teak LNER coaches from one company will set you back in the region of $1800-2000 per unit, while an economy coach in blood and custard BR scheme will set you back around $600-800. 


I understand that David Leach has hung up his tools pro tem, but Alan Wright in Ontario may also be in the running for a moderatley-priced coach - peraps around $700 or so.


The full pre-war FS train consist was usually 11 or 12 coaches, by the way.


tac in Oregon


www.ovgrs.orgr 

Hi All

If you want affordable Br Mark 1 coaches to match the 1/32 scale Accucraft "flying Scotsman " check out    www.3d-companions.com.

At less than £200 per coach, but have to be bought as a rake of five of different diagrams. The five are supplied in two storage/carrying boxes and are available for Total of £1000 in the UK.  Cheapest on the planet.

Also Check the site for some interesting reference works in virtual computer 3D for the "Br standard "9F" , the Fowler 0-6-0 "4F" , the GWR 0-4-2ST and others.


Best Regards

Francis Leach

PS High Alan Wright and David  Leech.  I have much respect for the quality of their products. Tis a pity I can not afford them.

Dear Mr Francis  - over here in the old world we have a saying - 'it's hard to fly with the eagles when you're shaped like a turkey'.

British Gauge 1 model express locomotives and their long shiney trains usually mean big bucks - everybody knows that - an Aster Flying Scotsman and its twelve teak passenger cars represents at least  $20K - and this is a VERY conservative estimate.

The 'economically-priced, affordable, good value for money' Accucraft version of the loco gives many a fighting chance to get 'flying with eagles', but nobody except Alan Wright in Canada and one other British manufacturer - noted in one of the previous posts - offers anything other than a foot-hold onto buying that twelve-car train without selling your kidneys and re-mortgaging the old homestead.   What astounds me is that their products are so remarkably low-priced by comparison with other makers like J&M and a couple of others I could mention, but won't for fear of causing widespread cases of apoplexy and sticker-shock, but I can reliably inform you that around $2000 per car is not an exaggeration.   

Sensitive souls who are upset by my use of words like 'cheap' should realise that the word 'cheap' can be disguised/softened by using other words such as 'more affordable' and 'good value for money' but they all mean the same thing - you straight-talking, say-it-like-it-is Americans like hard-hitting comments and realism in your speech, don't you?

So do I.

The word 'affordable' will always mean that many can afford it only by doing without something else.

The phrase 'good value for money' will always have connotations of low quality about it. 

My $0.02.

tac
www.ovgrs.org  

Dear Tac

We are the grey or half hair brigade that maybe can afford what we want.

I suppose you are suggesting is that there is not point getting involved in the hobby unless you have expensive high fidelity scale models ( flying with eagles stuff)and therefore no point in playing trains.
It is the elitest attitude of the established that stops this entertaining hobby from becoming more acceptable. If it looks like a turkey so what?. It is the fun derived from the hobby not simply how much it cost you to get the stuff.

The cost of David Leech's coaches reflect the high quality of his workmanship and his adherence to the best modelling standards. His article on how he builds coaches shows how much work it takes. But it does not mean that his product is the entry level and only acceptable standard of coach construction. There are easier ways which cost less.

I would suggest the the makers of Aristocraft would also take exception to your view. It does not have to cost a fortune to be enjoyable. It only has to look like the real thing to be acceptable to most none rivet counters. The Accucraft Flying Scotsman is a superb model but even that engine will not satisfy the rivet counters, after all it is not a real steam engine but it does cost a fraction of what a Aster Flying Scotsman cost.

Come on, live and let live.


Francis
www-3D-companions.com

Posted By 3D-companions on 02/24/2008 6:11 AM

'We are the grey or half hair brigade that maybe can afford what we want.' 

I am both grey and half-haired, but I can't afford a single £1000 passenger car.

'I suppose you are suggesting is that there is not point getting involved in the hobby unless you have expensive high fidelity scale models ( flying with eagles stuff)and therefore no point in playing trains.   It is the elitest attitude of the established that stops this entertaining hobby from becoming more acceptable. If it looks like a turkey so what?. It is the fun derived from the hobby not simply how much it cost you to get the stuff.' 

You have totally missed my point - if you care to actually read what I said without trying to spin it, you will see that I am actually advocating less-expensive models, which will however always be expensive by most people's standards, my own included.  I have precisely ONE Aster locomotive,.  Not only is it over 25 years old, but it was bought at a bargain price for ANY Aster model.  My point is that IF you want an Aster FS and twelve matching LNER teak cars, then you are going to have to PAY the going rate for it - around $20K - THAT is what I am referring to when I note the 'flying with eagles'.  I am also a proud turkey, with my twenty-five-year-old LGB Stainz.
 
'The cost of David Leech's coaches reflect the high quality of his workmanship and his adherence to the best modelling standards. His article on how he builds coaches shows how much work it takes. But it does not mean that his product is the entry level and only acceptable standard of coach construction. There are easier ways which cost less. '

I never said that Mr Leech's models were entry level - again, if you read what I said you will see that there is another UK-based builder who makes 'steel-bodied' passenger coaches of a more simplified style at a lesser cost - BUT - you will NOT get varnished teak coaches with all their complex beading and Gresley trucks at the same price as a steel body model.  However [and I bow to your obviously greater knowledge here], please share with us the method of making less easier and less costly Gauge 1 models of these amazingly complicated LNER carriages, the subject of this part of the thread.  

'I would suggest the the makers of Aristocraft would also take exception to your view. It does not have to cost a fortune to be enjoyable. It only has to look like the real thing to be acceptable to most none rivet counters. The Accucraft Flying Scotsman is a superb model but even that engine will not satisfy the rivet counters, after all it is not a real steam engine but it does cost a fraction of what a Aster Flying Scotsman cost. '

I could care less who takes exception, you, or anybody else, particularly where there is no reason to do so.  And how can something 'look like the real thing' without being a faithful representation of the real thing?  

Aristo-Craft is not now, and unlikely to ever be in the market to produce LNER teak coaches to go with somebody else's models in a scale they do not make.  The Accucraft FS is a truly superb model - not only do I agree, but  if you again take the trouble to look, you will see that I was the person who actually started this thread way back when.  And incidentally, I have fifteen of Aristo-Craft's fine-looking diesels./DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/ermm.gif

'Come on, live and let live.'
 
Excuse me?

BTW - Welcome to the forum.

tac
www.ovgrs.org

Owner of Accucraft, Aristo-Craft, Aster, Bachmann, LGB, Maerklin and USA Trains  - in no particular order except alphabetical. 

Tac

Thank you for putting me straight, I apologise if I was wrong but I thought were putting up a argument in support of High cost= only acceptable solution for Large scale railways. If you are saying that you are like me in that "You too wish to be able to afford the best stuff you can afford but until you will enjoy Turkey stuff", well join the club.

For all "Non eagle standard" modellers, I understand that Accucraft are developing a set of high fidelity scale models of Br prototype coaches. I feel sure that these will be a match of quality to the Flying Scotsman and of comparable value for money. Being professionally designed and manufactured to Accucrafts standards they are likey to become the benchmark for BR coaching stock modelling in terms quality and low price. You may have to wait a while but all good things come to.......................

Check out also http://www.acetrains.com/ not bad looking for tinplate. Screen printed I understand.

It is a minor observation but a photograph of an object looks like the real thing yet it does not have the stucture or cost of the real thing.

Tac, May I ask want rail section do you used for the comprehensive mix of scale and semi scales wheels you have on your collection of engines. It is a current problem for people buying the Aristocraft Class 66 model if they want to run them with scale profiled rail associated with 45mm scale track in Europe. The wheels have to be replaced or reprofiles to make them compatible with scale track.

Thanks for you welcome

Regards

Francis