[stumpycc]

 I have been trying to find some information/photo's of Train Funneral cars. 

     Background on subject;
        Last year I purchased a 2-8-8-2 Mallet which was on sale and at the time I didn't have any plans for it on my future rail road. Then the thought ocurred to me that it would make a great Loco for a Presidential/Military Funneral Train. I have never come acorss any pictures of one on any of the layouts that I have seen. 
    I am looking for the propper cars to use/redecorate, one each for tha Air Force, Army, Navy Marine Corps, Coast Guard and the President. I found emblems for the different Services at Hobby Lobby. I just need to get an idea as to which cars would be propper for this idea. 
  I am thinking either Baggage Cars or RPO's, or Combines. The cars definately need at least one side door to get the coffins in/out of.

  If anyone could point me in the right direction ait will be greatly appreciated. I have searched google and come up with Lincolns train and others, but there seem to be no pictures of any other Funneral train or cars. 

  Please help,   
     Cliff

 

[dawgnabbit]

Cliff...

Here's a look at Abraham Lincoln's funeral car.  Also, a link to a large-scale model of the Lincoln funeral train.

http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/news/train.htm

I thought most coffins were shipped in ordinary baggage cars.  For a VIP like the President, I suppose a little bunting would be in order.  I suspect nowdays a President's body would be transported cross-country in Air Force One/Marine One.

Dawg

 

[SteveC]

Cliff

I'd just use presidential funeral train as a search value in Google and you should get more hits than you'll likely wish to look at.

President Lincoln's Model Funeral Train

 

[Bob Starr]

If I remember correctly the Orange Empire RR Museum has a funeral car. I did not see a picture of it on their site. Might contact them
http://www.oerm.org/

 

[Road Foreman]

Cliff,

Go check out the funeral trains for the Kennedy's!!

BulletBob

 

[Chris France]

We have the car that carried Eisenhower in his funeral train at the B&O RR Museum in Baltimore. Its just what would otherwise be an ordinary C&O baggage car.

 

[stumpycc]

I was doing a Google search this morning before I made the post. I can find a lot of information and pictures of the Lincoln Funneral train. I also found information on the Kennedy train, which for Bobby Kennedy, and I know John kennedy were both FLOWN back to Washington. I don't know where the idea of a train for both of them came up, but there NO pictures of the trains. There is also information on Eisonhours train, but no pics of it either. There is also mentioning of Patton's train. but no pics of it either. I also found stories of funneral cars on some transit systems but yet again, no pictures. There is alot of information but not very many pictures. 

 I was just wanting to be able to figure out which type of car I should get for that particular era or maybe even a moderen funneral train with the Majestic old Mallet pulling it. I will be putting black bunting along the sides of the Mallet and painting each car to match the Service for which it represents. 

  I am doing this as a Tribute to our Millitary service men and women who have made the ultimate sacrifice while serving thier country and thought the Presidents car should be included.

  I thank you for the suggestions, i will keep on looking to see what I can find.

  Cliff

 

[markoles]

Cliff,

PRR trains carried the Kennedys:

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/GG1/funeral.shtml

Here are some interesting photos taken from on board the RFK train:
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0108/train_intro.htm

Here's  a video someone put together on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG4vJxi9Kis

Do your google search of Kennedy Funeral Train

The youtube shot gives you an idea of the size of the train. 

 

[Spule 4]

Posted By markoles on 03/21/2008 5:57 AM
Cliff,

PRR trains carried the Kennedys:

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/GG1/funeral.shtml

Here are some interesting photos taken from on board the RFK train:
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0108/train_intro.htm

Here's  a video someone put together on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG4vJxi9Kis

Do your google search of Kennedy Funeral Train

The youtube shot gives you an idea of the size of the train. 




Actually, June of 1968, so a Penn Central train carried Bobby.  The car he was in (PRR and PC 120) was an open end business car used by several presidents.  I could give more info and floorplan, but someone (unknown to me until I went to the shelves) has my books right now..../DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/crazy.gif

 

[stumpycc]

Posted By markoles on 03/21/2008 5:57 AM
Cliff,

PRR trains carried the Kennedys:

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/GG1/funeral.shtml

Here are some interesting photos taken from on board the RFK train:
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0108/train_intro.htm

Here's  a video someone put together on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG4vJxi9Kis

Do your google search of Kennedy Funeral Train

The youtube shot gives you an idea of the size of the train. 


Thanks Mark for the link to the video, I had found the pictures taken by the photographer from the train but hadn't found any pictures or videos OF the train itself.

Cliff

 

[stumpycc]

Posted By Spule 4 on 03/21/2008 7:08 AM
Posted By markoles on 03/21/2008 5:57 AM
Cliff,

PRR trains carried the Kennedys:

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/GG1/funeral.shtml

Here are some interesting photos taken from on board the RFK train:
http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0108/train_intro.htm

Here's  a video someone put together on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG4vJxi9Kis

Do your google search of Kennedy Funeral Train

The youtube shot gives you an idea of the size of the train. 


Actually, June of 1968, so a Penn Central train carried Bobby.  The car he was in (PRR and PC 120) was an open end business car used by several presidents.  I could give more info and floorplan, but someone (unknown to me until I went to the shelves) has my books right now..../DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/mls/emoticons/crazy.gif


 
Thank you very much for the type of car and the car number. That is what I was looking for. so, it looks like I will be looking for some 50'-60's style pullman cars.

  Thanks again, Cliff

 

[Spule 4]

 
Thank you very much for the type of car and the car number. That is what I was looking for. so, it looks like I will be looking for some 50'-60's style pullman cars.

  Thanks again, Cliff




Glad that was of interest.  Of more interest, is this car has been heavily rebuilt over its life, the modern windows being seen in the video clip along with the "paint outs" by Penn Central of the PRR and its name, with the "Mating Worms" applied.  Not sure when the roof and truck modifications were made, but well within PRR's ownership for sure.

Bennett Levin now owns it, my father has seen it a few times in private consists.  

Several of the "SPF" websites has photos of the car, but here are a few you might like:

http://www.prrths.com/Phila_PRR5809_10_08_00.htm

And a bit of history on the car:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/11200056.html?c=y&page=1

 

[stumpycc]

Thanks Spule for the links. that car looks cool. It will help me decide which ones I will use for teh train.

Cliff