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Dont know and dont care but sure glad they did, heres my 3...
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Looks like that Heritage S.P. SD70 is passing through several railroads. Caught it awhile back during a pass through on my Sierra Cascade and Pacific.
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WOW !!! Nice pics Paul, show us more!! Your rails look great.
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Posted By Paul Burch on 01/01/2009 12:49 PM
Looks like that Heritage S.P. SD70 is passing through several railroads. Caught it awhile back during a pass through on my Sierra Cascade and Pacific.
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As usual Paul, i bow to the master!!!!! your RR is really great... i hope by the end of this year i can give you guys a run for your money...
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Looks like that Heritage S.P. SD70 is passing through several railroads. Caught it awhile back during a pass through on my Sierra Cascade and Pacific.
As usual Paul, i bow to the master!!!!! your RR is really great... i hope by the end of this year i can give you guys a run for your money...
Nick
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Bills,
I think I had all 15 that I have on that day. I shot those pics just after I got the SD70 and converted it to RC and battery. It sure is a great paint job. If you have not noticed,the heritage locos are the first that do not come with traction tires. That saves $10.00 plus shipping to swap them out.
I think I had all 15 that I have on that day. I shot those pics just after I got the SD70 and converted it to RC and battery. It sure is a great paint job. If you have not noticed,the heritage locos are the first that do not come with traction tires. That saves $10.00 plus shipping to swap them out.
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Posted By Engineercub on 12/31/2008 1:36 PM
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Ted, USA Trains' SD70MAC is accurate. The pictures you presented are actually EMDs' SD70ACe.
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-Will
Will,
Yes, the USAT SD70MAC is correct as the loco is concerned.
The issue is that the Heritage UP1996 (SP) livery is not correct for it.
The prototype pictures clearly show this - as you pointed out being for the SD70ACe.
I think this is what prompted Rod Hayward's prior comment in page 2 of this thread: "Still, it would have been nice if they'd made the right loco for the Heritgae schemes, pity that."
All that said, it still is nice to see that USAT did decorate their SD70 in the Heritage livery.
Thanks,
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-Ted
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Ted, USA Trains' SD70MAC is accurate. The pictures you presented are actually EMDs' SD70ACe.
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-Will
Will,
Yes, the USAT SD70MAC is correct as the loco is concerned.
The issue is that the Heritage UP1996 (SP) livery is not correct for it.
The prototype pictures clearly show this - as you pointed out being for the SD70ACe.
I think this is what prompted Rod Hayward's prior comment in page 2 of this thread: "Still, it would have been nice if they'd made the right loco for the Heritgae schemes, pity that."
All that said, it still is nice to see that USAT did decorate their SD70 in the Heritage livery.
Thanks,
-Ted
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Posted By Bills on 12/31/2008 6:06 PM
CAn anyoone tell me why up decided to do these heratige paint schemes?
I suspect this goes beyond "public relations" reasons.
As I recall, there had been a licensing dispute with several model train companies, most of which had to pay licensing fees to Union Pacific for use of their trade mark / copyrights.
At first it was mostly focused on the models decorated in the Union Pacific livery - then the UP subsumed fallen flag road names, too.
So I suspect by having a resurrection of those fallen flag trade marks on the various Heritage units served to keep alive the trade marks / copyrights so as to assure or enhance UP's legal position.
(Since then, to my recollection, I believe UP relented about the licensing fees, but still maintained control over the use of their trade marks.)
-Ted
CAn anyoone tell me why up decided to do these heratige paint schemes?
I suspect this goes beyond "public relations" reasons.
As I recall, there had been a licensing dispute with several model train companies, most of which had to pay licensing fees to Union Pacific for use of their trade mark / copyrights.
At first it was mostly focused on the models decorated in the Union Pacific livery - then the UP subsumed fallen flag road names, too.
So I suspect by having a resurrection of those fallen flag trade marks on the various Heritage units served to keep alive the trade marks / copyrights so as to assure or enhance UP's legal position.
(Since then, to my recollection, I believe UP relented about the licensing fees, but still maintained control over the use of their trade marks.)
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Posted By Ted Doskaris on 01/09/2009 12:20 AM
Posted By Bills on 12/31/2008 6:06 PM
CAn anyoone tell me why up decided to do these heratige paint schemes?
I suspect this goes beyond "public relations" reasons.
As I recall, there had been a licensing dispute with several model train companies, most of which had to pay licensing fees to Union Pacific for use of their trade mark / copyrights.
At first it was mostly focused on the models decorated in the Union Pacific livery - then the UP subsumed fallen flag road names, too.
So I suspect by having a resurrection of those fallen flag trade marks on the various Heritage units served to keep alive the trade marks / copyrights so as to assure or enhance UP's legal position.
(Since then, to my recollection, I believe UP relented about the licensing fees, but still maintained control over the use of their trade marks.)
-Ted
That sums it up really well and MTH was the front runner that went neck to neck with the mighty U.P. and won for all toy train manufacturers...
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U.P., MTH Trademark Dispute
Posted By Bills on 12/31/2008 6:06 PM
CAn anyoone tell me why up decided to do these heratige paint schemes?
I suspect this goes beyond "public relations" reasons.
As I recall, there had been a licensing dispute with several model train companies, most of which had to pay licensing fees to Union Pacific for use of their trade mark / copyrights.
At first it was mostly focused on the models decorated in the Union Pacific livery - then the UP subsumed fallen flag road names, too.
So I suspect by having a resurrection of those fallen flag trade marks on the various Heritage units served to keep alive the trade marks / copyrights so as to assure or enhance UP's legal position.
(Since then, to my recollection, I believe UP relented about the licensing fees, but still maintained control over the use of their trade marks.)
-Ted
That sums it up really well and MTH was the front runner that went neck to neck with the mighty U.P. and won for all toy train manufacturers...
U.P., MTH Trademark Dispute
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Oops, forgot to add that those USA Trains SD70's are some mighty fine..well actually excellent locomotives...
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Chuck... you da man.....
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Speaking of licensing, I hear that BNSF is now trying to pull what UP did.
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I think CSX tried this also and they gave up!!!! so it will be interesting to see how things pan out... Nick
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Ted is right, I think. Â Some time ago, after the UP merged w/ the C&NW, the issue was discussed on this forum.
The UP then announced exclusive trademark rights to its former " fallen flag" railroad logos.
It seemed odd that the UP appeared to be simultaneously abandoning all prior logos.
(My lawyer friends tell me that if you want to preserve you trademark rights, not using them is a risky idea)
Some time after that, the revival engines appeared.
Probably just a coincidence, maybe.
cheersÂ
The UP then announced exclusive trademark rights to its former " fallen flag" railroad logos.
It seemed odd that the UP appeared to be simultaneously abandoning all prior logos.
(My lawyer friends tell me that if you want to preserve you trademark rights, not using them is a risky idea)
Some time after that, the revival engines appeared.
Probably just a coincidence, maybe.
cheersÂ
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Fildowns,
Since you noticed the painted rails ,did you also notice that the tops of the rails on the sidings are painted? I run with battery so simulating rusted old seldom used sidings like this is easy. They are fully operational.
Since you noticed the painted rails ,did you also notice that the tops of the rails on the sidings are painted? I run with battery so simulating rusted old seldom used sidings like this is easy. They are fully operational.
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Posted By Bills on 12/31/2008 1:03 PM
Great pictures Ted. Whats the white disk on top of the cab? I'm guessing GPS.
Yep, you are correct; see the following:
Article, "GE watches its units from afar", Trains Magazine, August 2007, page 22" explains the roof top bubble devices.
Below are excerpts:
"Electro Motive has a similar monitoring program for its SD units."
Using GPS, the builder [GE] keeps tabs from a monitoring center in Erie, PA., where units are made"
"Under the plastic bubble atop General Electric units,[cab roof top]....is a system of communication devices that make sure signals get through no matter where the units are."
"Global Positioning Satellites locate the units (and mapping software helps GE personnel pinpoint their exact locations). Through a combination of satellites, mobile internet (Wi-fi) and cellular modems, the units are in almost constant contact with the center."
-Ted
Great pictures Ted. Whats the white disk on top of the cab? I'm guessing GPS.
Yep, you are correct; see the following:
Article, "GE watches its units from afar", Trains Magazine, August 2007, page 22" explains the roof top bubble devices.
Below are excerpts:
"Electro Motive has a similar monitoring program for its SD units."
Using GPS, the builder [GE] keeps tabs from a monitoring center in Erie, PA., where units are made"
"Under the plastic bubble atop General Electric units,[cab roof top]....is a system of communication devices that make sure signals get through no matter where the units are."
"Global Positioning Satellites locate the units (and mapping software helps GE personnel pinpoint their exact locations). Through a combination of satellites, mobile internet (Wi-fi) and cellular modems, the units are in almost constant contact with the center."
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