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My reason for the switch from alcohol to butane was twofold. First the butane system uses less room allowing the installation of a minimal RC system. Secondly the alcohol firing system is dependent in large part on stack air movement to coax the fire into the boiler area. That means either the blower must be run without stop, or the engine must be run at a relatively high RPM to use exhaust steam to create draft. I wished to do neither, blower use meant another servo, and high speed engine running meant high speed engine movement, one of the things this engine is criticized for. By having a heat source under the boiler not dependent on draft, I can concentrate on the other variables.

As I am old, and my empire is ground level with plantings, not an elevated oval, I need RC to control the engines on grades and with varying loads.

Lest one think that Aster never makes mistakes or "design errors" I beg to differ, Thier roster has a number of less then stellar performers. I have 3 Aster engines, one, the Climax, has a steam pick up inside the boiler which causes the engine to run "wet" unless the boiler water level is kept well below the 3/4 full mark. A simple steam dome design would have corrected this problem.
 
Posted By Kovacjr on 15 Sep 2012 06:06 PM
Posted By docstoy on 15 Sep 2012 06:00 PM
If the original plan was so good why was the reissue not alcohol fired?

Id say because many of the Narrow Gauge buyers do not run Alcohol.
The reason for doing the second run in gas was because the buyers wanted it in gas. The way the new Aster models are done for the Japanese market is somewhat different than the models for the USA, UK, or Europe. The few recent narrow gauge projects, such as this Shay or later Krauss, were chosen by the Japanese buyers from a list of potential models, and a lot of options were considered in an online questionnaire to come up with the final design. Some aspects of the design were even implemented while the prototype was being built, following the advices of the live steam experts here in Japan. This is a much more open design trajectory than that of the export models which are commissioned by the importers. So essentially what docstoy wrote is right, Aster followed modellers ' choice on that Shay. Best wishes from Radom, Zubi
 
Posted By livesteam53 on 15 Sep 2012 08:33 PM
A lot of us Narrow Gauge bunch believe it better to drink Alcohol while running our locomotives.
Mark: You are so totally hard core narrow gauge, you drink the stuff that comes out of the lubricator.
 
Maybe someone more conversant with the scale/guage definitions can tell me if the original Aster Shay or it's re-issue is in fact narrow gauge. Modeled after the Ali Shan shay was that a narrow gauge engine? My Accucraft Shays are clearly narrow gauge, the cylinders lie outside the rail, the Aster shay does not appear to have this characteristic. Issued in 1/28 scale according to web site. The reason I ask is that someone suggested the butane switch was to satisfy narrow gauge modelers. I can accept the change to satisfy the Japanese market.
 
Docstoy, Aster Alishan Shay is modelled after 30inch prototypes from Taiwan's Alishan Forest Railway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alishan_Forest_Railway The models are 1:22.5 scale, more or less. The original release was mistakenly denoted 1:28 in the manuals. Should have been 1:23 - 3 looks so similar to 8, someone made a mistake there. The recent re-release Shays are denoted as 1:22.5. The reason there is not enough overhang on this engine is that the gauge is somewhat too broad - it is 45mm while it should be 34mm in 1:22.5 scale. This is 11mm gauge difference and some overhang was obviously reduced. Best wishes, Zubi
 
There is asimple mod to reduce this front truck damage..
A flame deflector [sheet brass] mounted under the smokebox shaped so if flame does spill from to much fire, it doesnt go directly onto the wheels bushes..done afew after damage.. no further problem.

Gordon.
 
Here is all you need. This modification was recommended by Larry Herget some years ago and has worked as advertised. I used a piece of thick brass sheeting cut to the size I needed to protect the truck. I then drilled and tapped a mounting hole as shown below. Quick and easy fix.

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