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#2 ·
Posted By John J on 23 Aug 2010 10:57 PM
What makes the darkest, blackest smoke from a smoke unit?

Anyone the paramaters of anybodies smoke unit?

Volts, Amps, Watts?

Who has the hottest heating element?

JJ

Coal slurry? Photoshop? --- They all look wimpy and unrealistic, except maybe MTH or a custom aftermarket. Most smoke fluids today just plain stink and give me a headache, at least the old (toxic) Flyer stuff smelled like frankincense.
 
#3 ·
I've never seen anything that comes close to be black or dark. The best smoke units I bought and worked great where the TA units which are no longer available. Price was right to. Use the Proto smoke and you get lots of good smelling smoke. Lots of flavors. Later RJD
 
#4 ·
I should also add, my preferred 'sound' is Glenn Miller on the stereo....... Again, those things just give me a headache.

I worked a LOT of train shows next to guys peddling this or that smoke fluid, or sound system. -- All running full tilt from 15 minutes before the show opened til after it closed. --- The SAME guys would complain to the promoters about the 'noise and stink' if I ran a putt-putt steamboat for 10 minutes.... probably because it drew attention away from their noise and stink.


My other thought is, Have you ever wondered where all that 'smoke' goes? It's vaporized oil. It leaves a thin residue EVERYWHERE... including your lungs - outside this may not matter so much, but inside it can't be all that good. Yes it's less than the average smoker puffs out, but I don't think anybody has looked into long term exposure. Anyway, you pays your moneys, you picks your poisons... for me it isn't worth it. I haven't even bothered with fitting smoke units in my last 4 or 5 builds.
 
#5 ·
JJ:

1. Black smoke not possible
2. I have some listings of various smoke units on my site.
3. There's lots of discussion over the years here, and a long thread on the Aristo forum about their unit where we researched a lot on theirs.
4. Heat of the element is not a good indication of how "well" it works.
5. The only ones that seem to be available are the Aristo and the Massoth units or the ones from the toy tank or the model ship people. The USAT ones have been out of stock for a year reportedly, and the same for the MTH units, TAS is no longer making them apparently.
6. I'm not even considering the non-fan driven ones, they are wimpy and burn out easily.

Depending on your budget get the Aristo or the Massoth. more $$ = more smoke.

Regards, Greg
 
#7 ·
If you want to raise the bar even higher, here's KM-1's version: Might cost you a few $thou to get it though because they don't sell it separately!

http://www.km-1.de/dynamicsmoke4_3.wmv

I think Massoth has the best aftermarket unit. They make an axle sensor kit and the smoke maker in two versions: 19V or 5V. I have use the 5V units and they take approximately 600mA to operate. The 19V takes less current (prob~200mA). Massoth also has a high efficiency element which makes even more smoke. Check out their website JJ--there are some videos there too.

Here's a short example of the 5V unit in my LGB Heidi:

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/cougarrockrail/MVI_4707.AVI

Keith

Keith
 
#8 ·
Yep, while interesting, I think JJ was interested in something he could actually purchase!! That's why I did not mention all the other brands that cannot be obtained.

It would be nice to see the two 19v versions, not taking time to visit the Massoth site, I think they are $130 and $145 respectively.

Greg
 
#10 ·
Please let me rephrase since you took offense.... I don't like what passes for model smoke or model sound.... REAL coal smoke, REAL steam, REAL hot iron and oil. REAL sounds of a working engine (farm or locomotive) that you can feel through the soles of your feet, and REAL whistles that make your ears itch... THOSE I love and can't get enough of.....

It's sort of like the difference between a 40 year-old single malt scotch and some rot gut watered down drain cleaner pretending to be whiskey.


If you find a unit that is actually realistic, not just 'sort of', and it doesn't cost more than a new locomotive, I promise to try it.
 
#11 ·
Posted By Mik on 24 Aug 2010 08:25 AM
I should also add, my preferred 'sound' is Glenn Miller on the stereo....... Again, those things just give me a headache.

I worked a LOT of train shows next to guys peddling this or that smoke fluid, or sound system. -- All running full tilt from 15 minutes before the show opened til after it closed. --- The SAME guys would complain to the promoters about the 'noise and stink' if I ran a putt-putt steamboat for 10 minutes.... probably because it drew attention away from their noise and stink.


My other thought is, Have you ever wondered where all that 'smoke' goes? It's vaporized oil. It leaves a thin residue EVERYWHERE... including your lungs - outside this may not matter so much, but inside it can't be all that good. Yes it's less than the average smoker puffs out, but I don't think anybody has looked into long term exposure. Anyway, you pays your moneys, you picks your poisons... for me it isn't worth it. I haven't even bothered with fitting smoke units in my last 4 or 5 builds.





OMG............Are you done ? you sure do know how to SUCK the fun out of just about everythying you relpy to..............................
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I kid cause i really do care.
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#12 ·
Posted By Nicholas Savatgy on 24 Aug 2010 01:28 PM
Posted By Mik on 24 Aug 2010 08:25 AM
I should also add, my preferred 'sound' is Glenn Miller on the stereo....... Again, those things just give me a headache.

I worked a LOT of train shows next to guys peddling this or that smoke fluid, or sound system. -- All running full tilt from 15 minutes before the show opened til after it closed. --- The SAME guys would complain to the promoters about the 'noise and stink' if I ran a putt-putt steamboat for 10 minutes.... probably because it drew attention away from their noise and stink.


My other thought is, Have you ever wondered where all that 'smoke' goes? It's vaporized oil. It leaves a thin residue EVERYWHERE... including your lungs - outside this may not matter so much, but inside it can't be all that good. Yes it's less than the average smoker puffs out, but I don't think anybody has looked into long term exposure. Anyway, you pays your moneys, you picks your poisons... for me it isn't worth it. I haven't even bothered with fitting smoke units in my last 4 or 5 builds.





OMG............Are you done ? you sure do know how to SUCK the fun out of just about everythying you relpy to..............................
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I kid cause i really do care.
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OH yeah? CARE?

Prove it!




Send money!

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#13 ·
Well if that's the case you need a live coal fired steamer to complete your wish list.

I like to try one of the Massoth but here again it's pricey and would like more info on how it works and what is needed for the install. Later RJD
 
#14 ·
Posted By aceinspp on 24 Aug 2010 04:21 PM
Well if that's the case you need a live coal fired steamer to complete your wish list.

Got one, and another in the making.... but they won't quite fit through the bridges and tunnels on my layout, and they're hard on the track. :(
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#15 ·
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Posted By Semper Vaporo on 24 Aug 2010 04:12 PM
Posted By Nicholas Savatgy on 24 Aug 2010 01:28 PM
Posted By Mik on 24 Aug 2010 08:25 AM
I should also add, my preferred 'sound' is Glenn Miller on the stereo....... Again, those things just give me a headache.

I worked a LOT of train shows next to guys peddling this or that smoke fluid, or sound system. -- All running full tilt from 15 minutes before the show opened til after it closed. --- The SAME guys would complain to the promoters about the 'noise and stink' if I ran a putt-putt steamboat for 10 minutes.... probably because it drew attention away from their noise and stink.


My other thought is, Have you ever wondered where all that 'smoke' goes? It's vaporized oil. It leaves a thin residue EVERYWHERE... including your lungs - outside this may not matter so much, but inside it can't be all that good. Yes it's less than the average smoker puffs out, but I don't think anybody has looked into long term exposure. Anyway, you pays your moneys, you picks your poisons... for me it isn't worth it. I haven't even bothered with fitting smoke units in my last 4 or 5 builds.





OMG............Are you done ? you sure do know how to SUCK the fun out of just about everythying you relpy to..............................
Image


I kid cause i really do care.
Image
Image


OH yeah? CARE?

Prove it!




Send money!

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Dear Mr Semp,
Please dont get mad at me because my locos smoke better than your live steamers.................
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If you have a paypal account i will send some $ some you can convert some to MTH smoke. HAAAAAAAAAAA
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#17 ·
Posted By Nicholas Savatgy on 24 Aug 2010 04:58 PM
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Posted By Semper Vaporo on 24 Aug 2010 04:12 PM
Posted By Nicholas Savatgy on 24 Aug 2010 01:28 PM
Posted By Mik on 24 Aug 2010 08:25 AM
I should also add, my preferred 'sound' is Glenn Miller on the stereo....... Again, those things just give me a headache.

I worked a LOT of train shows next to guys peddling this or that smoke fluid, or sound system. -- All running full tilt from 15 minutes before the show opened til after it closed. --- The SAME guys would complain to the promoters about the 'noise and stink' if I ran a putt-putt steamboat for 10 minutes.... probably because it drew attention away from their noise and stink.


My other thought is, Have you ever wondered where all that 'smoke' goes? It's vaporized oil. It leaves a thin residue EVERYWHERE... including your lungs - outside this may not matter so much, but inside it can't be all that good. Yes it's less than the average smoker puffs out, but I don't think anybody has looked into long term exposure. Anyway, you pays your moneys, you picks your poisons... for me it isn't worth it. I haven't even bothered with fitting smoke units in my last 4 or 5 builds.





OMG............Are you done ? you sure do know how to SUCK the fun out of just about everythying you relpy to..............................
Image


I kid cause i really do care.
Image
Image


OH yeah? CARE?

Prove it!




Send money!

Image




Dear Mr Semp,
Please dont get mad at me because my locos smoke better than your live steamers.................
Image
If you have a paypal account i will send some $ some you can convert some to MTH smoke. HAAAAAAAAAAA
Image


Image




I was gonna embed a YouTube video here to show you what a Live Steamer can do
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, but that would be quite cruel to the OP to show what he is missing by settling for a mere sparkie.
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As for my PayPal account... HA! I ain't gonna fall for that one -- you just want my e-mail address for some sort of nefarious porpose.
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(I really don't mind getting e-mails from Dolphins, but nefarious porposes I just won't with which to up put.)
 
#19 ·
Posted By Semper Vaporo on 24 Aug 2010 07:47 PM
Posted By Nicholas Savatgy on 24 Aug 2010 04:58 PM
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Posted By Semper Vaporo on 24 Aug 2010 04:12 PM
Posted By Nicholas Savatgy on 24 Aug 2010 01:28 PM
Posted By Mik on 24 Aug 2010 08:25 AM
I should also add, my preferred 'sound' is Glenn Miller on the stereo....... Again, those things just give me a headache.

I worked a LOT of train shows next to guys peddling this or that smoke fluid, or sound system. -- All running full tilt from 15 minutes before the show opened til after it closed. --- The SAME guys would complain to the promoters about the 'noise and stink' if I ran a putt-putt steamboat for 10 minutes.... probably because it drew attention away from their noise and stink.


My other thought is, Have you ever wondered where all that 'smoke' goes? It's vaporized oil. It leaves a thin residue EVERYWHERE... including your lungs - outside this may not matter so much, but inside it can't be all that good. Yes it's less than the average smoker puffs out, but I don't think anybody has looked into long term exposure. Anyway, you pays your moneys, you picks your poisons... for me it isn't worth it. I haven't even bothered with fitting smoke units in my last 4 or 5 builds.





OMG............Are you done ? you sure do know how to SUCK the fun out of just about everythying you relpy to..............................
Image


I kid cause i really do care.
Image
Image


OH yeah? CARE?

Prove it!




Send money!

Image




Dear Mr Semp,
Please dont get mad at me because my locos smoke better than your live steamers.................
Image
If you have a paypal account i will send some $ some you can convert some to MTH smoke. HAAAAAAAAAAA
Image


Image




I was gonna embed a YouTube video here to show you what a Live Steamer can do
Image
, but that would be quite cruel to the OP to show what he is missing by settling for a mere sparkie.
Image


As for my PayPal account... HA! I ain't gonna fall for that one -- you just want my e-mail address for some sort of nefarious porpose.
Image


(I really don't mind getting e-mails from Dolphins, but nefarious porposes I just won't with which to up put.)




I think that you over think the value of what you say means anything to me ??????
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nefarious Please im harmless................
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#20 ·
I was going to reply to this topic. But I am having so much fun reading the replies, counter replies, counter, counter replies, etc, etc, etc, that I don't now know whom to make a reply to.
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Although this may give you something to cauugh about
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