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Steve Stockham

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(*Sigh) What am I gonna do? Ever since I saw the pre-production examples of the new Bachmann Forney at the NGRC in Denver last summer I have been smitten! It's slowly becoming an obsession: I must have one of them!!! I haven't felt like this since I first set eyes on my K-27! Somehow, some way, sometime soon, I will order one........and then I am doomed!! The only way I will be able to even contemplate a purchase is if I divest myself of an equal valued portion of my rolling stock. Hmmmmmm.................................aw, who am I kidding? I have absolutely no self-control when this happens!! (Oh well, I guess I'd better get down to the storage room and see what engines and rolling stock I won't be needing...)

Why am I doomed? Well, technically, I would only be in the dog house but you get the picture! My wife has seriously curtailed my spending on trains because she has this silly notion that I have too many already(!) It hasn't helped that my daughter is just starting to discover the joys of being a teenager and has fallen into the habit of wanting to go shopping "for really cool stuff" at the local Mall and pesters us to get these things she absolutely must have!!! (Thanks to my daughter over-using the "but I just gotta have it" argument ad-nauseum, my wife is not going to react favorably to my using that argument!) If I want this locomotive I am going to have to sacrifice something of equal value first. Still, it will be worth it! It's only a matter of time!
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Well, Steve! Maybe you can get the kind of Ebay response on the liquidated equipment that you got on your LGB DRGW Forney a few months back.

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Letter it for The Gap, and convince your daughter she's just gotta have it. ;)

I'm eying them too, but I'm in the same boat. The cost of the loco, then the control for it, to say nothing of the fact that I've already got TVRR #2, which I built from an Accucraft Ruby. I'll probably end up with one down the road a bit, but I just can't justify it right now.

Later,

K
 
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Sometimes it's better to beg forgiveness than ask permission.

Pay with a money order. As soon as it arrives burn the boxes. Then weather the crap out of it (including a generous supply of real dust), and when she asks, say, "What? That old thing?" And act all injured and innocent.... But if it blows up in your face, I didn't suggest nuthin of the sort
 
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My guess is that there will be a pretty high level of customer resistance over here in UK, where it is currently slated to be sold at the same price as the K-27......

Time will tell, but IMO the 'bang for the buck' factor just is not there.

It has not yet arrove, BTW....

tac
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I've always loved the Maine two footers and think this is overall a great looking engine. The thing that I can't wrap my head around is the gauge thing (funny coming from a die hard 1/29th guy). It just doesn't look right from the front or rear without looking like it would fall over if the wind blew too hard. If I was a better modeler I would probably buy one and try to regauge the thing.
 
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I can't wrap my head around is the gauge thing
I'm with you, Chris. Now, if Bachmann really wanted to 'get real' they'd have started a whole new line of 7/8n2 models!

Or perhaps they'd find a better market by making it SM32 (1:16th scale, gauge-0 track = 2') like the UK guys use. In fact, as Accucraft, Roundhouse, etc., all make 32/45mm re-gaugeable locos, it's a shame bachmann didn't do the same.
 
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At the current MSRP and Street Price, the locomotive in question is Severely Cost Prohibitive for us...

I have no desire for a K, but would buy one of those before I'd drop the same funds on this tiny offering (albeit, it appears beautiful and is a nice addition to the Spectrum line)....

One could purchase the new Accucraft Forney in Live Steam for less than what most on-line retailers have the Bachmann, or Save about half and find a nice NOS LGB Forney....


Why is the Accucraft MSRP only $659 but the Bachmann $1150....


I was/am a proponent of the Forney, and welcomed the Bachmann announcement of it, but I think the failing dollar and this far-fetched inflated pricing will hurt this offering~horribly

I know some will buy, just to say they did...but this "Joe the plumber" is gonna pass until someone puts them on "Fire Sale"


just my $0.02

cale


Why $550, for this minuscule loco alone...Imagine a Spectrum Set: Forney, a couple of Spectrum cars and no track, just a boxed set....for $350-450...that's more like it!
 
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Why $550, for this minuscule loco alone...
I certainly understand the frustration over the price of the Forney relative to the K, but is it "$550 for this miniscule loco," or "Holy Cow! How can they afford to sell the K for only $650?' I think we got way spoiled by the pricing on the K. I don't know what Bachmann's logic was with pricing the K where they did, maybe they thought that was as high as people would pay, but the overwhelming sentiment among its owners is that the loco is very much a bargain for the price.

I've long since given up reading any kind of logic into the pricing of locomotives in this scale. You've got the same LGB mogul selling for anywhere from $300 to $1200 just because of what's printed on the tender. You've got an Accucraft live steam K-28 selling for $4800, a 4-6-0 in the same scale, also live steam and just as detailed, selling for $1200, and a live steam mogul--comparatively spartan in terms of detail--selling for $1400. I'm sure in the hallowed halls of Philly, Union City, or wherever, there's a sense of logic behind this pricing. Here in Centennial, CO, it makes absolutely ZERO sense to me.

Later,

K
 
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I can guess part of the reason for the expense. I had a chance to give the pre-production models a thorough exam and the electronics cramned into it is substantial! IF they have finally gotten all the "bugs" out of it and it is truly DCC/DC and r/c battery compatable with the kind of detailing that we have come to expect from Spectrum items then $600 is not too unreasonable (it's still a lot to swallow though!)
 
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With Aristo and Bachmann, the current thinking seems to be is to continually inflate the list price, so the street price, while higher, seems a good deal since it is so much of a reduction of the "mythical" list price.

There's certainly enough parts in the K to make it an expensive loco. Is it worth $650 in today's market? Compared to the value Aristo gives you, hmm... but we certainly do not have a lot of choices.

As a consumer I look at what I am getting for my money, with an eye towards what it really costs to produce.

It just seems to me that the Forney should be $375 or so, there's just not enough in it in the drivetrain, valve gear, number of wheels/drivers... also there is no tender of course...

I think the K is a reasonable price, now that all the secrets of making it right are known (even if it's socket is wired backwards).

And yes, LGB forneys are all over the place, because LGB is "collectable" and there are "collectors" willing to pay premiums for rarer items. My LGB Forney that is for sale has an original price sticker of $492, and that was "old money".

Regards, Greg
 
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List the daughter on Evil Bay!! Hah LOL before she gets any older and more expensive!! I have raised two daughters! My ex-father in law always told me that boys were easier and way less complicated to raise!! LOL Regal
Oh there is always Craigs List too!! hee hee
Oh and equal time there is always this little snipet! "The only difference between men and boys is the price of they"re toys"
 
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The logic on the pricing probably goes something like with the mining mogul aka 'Indie'... "See, we TRIED making what the small layout customers asked for, but nobody wanted it until we practically GAVE them away, so there's no real interest in them..." Better hope they put enough weight in it for it to pull itself, unlike the critical flaw with said Indie
 
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My sense is that it costs the same to produce a detailed mikado as it does a detailed forney. The details involved are not transferable from a previous model, so they all have to be made in to molds, tested and then remade. With the US dollar in the crapper, engineering costs more, as does everything else. If you think I am full of it, have you noticed that premium O gauge scale locomotive prices continue to rise as well? Typical O guage steam locomotives are regularly in the $600-$1500 range. That includes control and sound, which is not optional, so in a way, it is like the circuit board that Bachmann puts in.

Steve,

I did the "beg for forgiveness" thing earlier this summer with a set of FA's. I think I would have been better off if I had gotten her a gift of equal or greater value. Think shiny jewelry or spa days. That seems to work better than sneaking behind their backs. I can't imagine how awesome a spa day that costs $600 would be. Come to think of it, that better be several days!

You could always ask Santa. What the worst he could say? It's not like you'd shoot your eye out or anything... I am assuming that you were a good boy this year...
 
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Well, it's too late for sneaking around or asking forgiveness after the fact. Patsy read this thread. She finished it and looked over at me and said,"Just remember, it was your idea!" (in reference to selling off some rolling stock and engines.) Then she walked away.....(I think I might be in the clear!)
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Uh huh, yeah, riiight! Dream on Steve....
 
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