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Foreman
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 Posted - 04 May 2006 : 03:05:19
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Tac - proved I was awake anyway!
The 'Southern' coaches look as if they are actually British Railways mark one's, and therefore too late to be with the Schools in that livery. Closer inspection may reveal them to be the Bullied predecessor to the Mk 1, however - can we have a closer shot, they do look very nice.
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Foreman
1st Class Member
USA
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Posted - 04 May 2006 : 07:28:14
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On the theory that everyone's baby is the most beautiful, here is my vote:
The Jumbo is the only engine I've ever bought based on appearance. I was never a UK prototype guy, but this one just called out to me.
I'd also have to suggest a nice Climax as well, but I'd hate to start a geared, Shay vs Climax vs Heisler debate. |
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Foreman
1st Class Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 May 2006 : 11:48:58
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I am amazed how much the Aster Schools class locomotive is admired and operated in the USA. There are often several to be seen at Diamondhead every year and usually in unmodified format. In the UK we don't often see the 'Schools' about at a meeting which is a pity since this simple locomotive truly kick-started the gauge one live steam hobby when it was introduced in the mid 1970's.
Aster's 30th anniversary model is another from Britain's Southern Railway. This time it’s a Bulleid light pacific. This couldn't be more different from the 'Schools'! The Bulleid with its 3 cylinders and 3 sets of inside Walschaert valve gear, multiple jet blast pipe and chimney. How things have changed but still the same old magic when you open the regulator and the train majestically pulls away.
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Foreman
1st Class Member
USA
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Posted - 04 May 2006 : 12:02:46
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Originally posted by AsterUK
The Bulleid with its 3 cylinders and 3 sets of inside Walschaert valve gear
I was kind of curious to see what you guys were going to do for valve gear on the Bulleid, considering that the real ones were built with a unique chain-driven valve gear encased in an oil bath, which proved to be quite troublesome in operation. It might have been an interesting thing to try to duplicate on the model, but I'm sure the Walschaert's valve gear will make for a more reliable runner.
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Engineer
1st Class Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 May 2006 : 12:38:13
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Originally posted by AsterUK
...it’s a Bulleid light pacific. This couldn't be more different from the 'Schools'! The Bulleid with its 3 cylinders and 3 sets of inside Walschaert valve gear, multiple jet blast pipe and chimney. How things have changed but still the same old magic when you open the regulator and the train majestically pulls away. Andrew
I have had the pleasure of seeing this beautiful new loco in the tin, in both liveries, and can tell you that is a remarkable piece of model engineering. Anyone who wants to see it, please e-mail me for piccies.
tac
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Foreman
1st Class Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 May 2006 : 16:00:02
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The famous chain driven valve gear from Bulleid's pacific locos was basically Walschaert but used chains to transmit the drive instead of rods. This was considered "a bridge too far" by the Aster designer and so he adopted Walschaert with rods contained in a very neat 'cassette' to make installation easy for the kit builder.
As TAC Foley points out, the prototypes have come out very well. Track performance has been far beyond expectation. Anyone thinking that Aster might be loosing their way with all this stuff coming out of China will think again when they see this latest masterpiece from the guys in Yokohama.
BTW I met TAC Foley for the first time at a steam event in April. We had a nice chat. Funny how quite often people don't turn out to be as we had expected!! |
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Foreman
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 May 2006 : 06:20:11
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Oh, if I could only afford a Spam Can! One of my favorites, despite the compromised engineering of the valve gear. I was just going to point out about it essentially being Walshaerts, but the post above saved me.....
As it wouldn't like my LGB track I'm probably saved. I have seen the shots of one though, and am mightily impressed. Not an easy shape to get right, but it looks really good. Oh yes.
While I haven't met Tac, I have spoken to him on the tellingbone, and a very interesting gentleman he is indeed. His friend ig is an enigma though.
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Foreman
USA
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Posted - 06 May 2006 : 07:50:13
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Darn!
I was just in Shanghai, China last week.....I did not know that the assembly is now in China. I would have liked to 'see' the process.
BTW, I stumbled upon the Bachmann store in Shanghai, decorated with a 1:1 scale Steam Locomotive on the front of the building with a tail end of a 1:1 UP heavy weight observation (complete with interior) on the inside of the shop.
Two assistants also liveried in train conductor uniforms.
Mostly British HO (WW II livery 'Bullied' coaches which I thought at first were Flying Scot teak coaches) I ended up purchasing an HO Chinese Rail green boxcar just for rememberance of the trip. I took some pictures which I will try to post later.... |
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Conductor
Belgium
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Posted - 06 May 2006 : 15:19:12
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I like this one: http://bert11.homeip.net/zoek1sorter.html?f=NU&q=12004&search=+ZOEK+ (best pic I could find on the net) It's a 4-4-2 steamlined with inside cylinders that was made to run the trains between Brussels and Ostend (about 120km) in 1h start to stop including a stop in Ghent. They did this, and the same trip is still on the roster, but it now takes more than 1h.
It still exsists (1 out of the 6 build), but is laid up in the not-open-for-visitors-museum of the belgian railways. Yes, they have a museum, but you cannot visit it...don't try to understand. |
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Foreman
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 10:30:53
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It is a beautiful locomotive, somewhat reminescent of the German 05 streamlined.
Do you have a picture of it from the side?
I am curious to 'see' the valve gear on the cylinders. |
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Conductor
Belgium
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Foreman
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 18:05:48
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Thank You for the picture, of a very interesting and unusal Locomotive.
Would this inside cylinder arrangement be similiar to the Gresley conjugated three cylinder system on the British A3? |
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Conductor
Belgium
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 12:37:15
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| No, the Gresley was a three-cylinder where the motion of the inner cylinder was "derived" from the valve gear of both outer cylinders. In this case, motion for both cylinders (except the return lever) and the cylinders themselves are between the frame. |
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