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02/07/2008 4:02 PM  
Chicago seems rather balmy after reading that

"If Christianity was something we were making up, of course we could make it easier. But it is not. We cannot compete, in simplicity with people who are inventing religions. How could we? We are dealing with Fact. Of course anyone can be simple if he has no facts to bother about."-- C. S. Lewis
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02/08/2008 6:02 AM  
Ron, have you ever heard what happened to Chris Stevens as an actor? I don't recall ever seeing him again, but may have missed recognizing him in another show. I just can't imagine someone with his talents going by the wayside.

 


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02/08/2008 6:29 AM  
Chris Stevens  (Played by John Corbet  I think)   has been in several movies.   The last one I saw him in was on  TV.   Montana Sky  I think was the name. Or Monana something.
it was about a  Montana Rancher  That had Three Daughters.  All different personalities and can't stand each other.   He Dies and for them to get thier inheritance they all have to live on the ranch for one year.
John Corbett  played the  Rancher Next Door and  Exuttor of the will.   I am not sure but I think John Corbett  was in  Tumbstone also

PS I buy my movies from  MOVIES UNLIMITED.COM   I have been buying from them for years.  They are in Philadelphia PA

If you go to thier wetsite  they have a  search by  ACTOR   

John Corgett has been in  22 movies  including  TOMBSTONE

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John J 's response largely covers it. John Corbett has been busy filming, even when he was in the middle of the NX series. His filmography is here.




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02/09/2008 5:47 AM  
Thanks John and Ron! I knew I could count on you guys for a lot of good info! I sure didn't know there was a site that had as much about an actor as the one you indicated Ron. That's something else!


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I belong to a Yahoo group called "My Cicely," which discusses various aspects of the old NX series.  On occasion the question "where is Cicely?" comes up. I  have answered this before, but have since refined my answer:


Where is  Cicely?

I have run this one before, but have since modified some of my responses.  Being a Native Alaskan I am probably in a better position than most to attempt to resolve the question.   These are my answers that are more specific to the real Alaska but based on the mythical one portrayed in the NX series.


Pennsylvania Avenue, Roslyn, WA, looking WNW toward 2nd Street


"Nobody knows for sure-- the producers and writers of Northern Exposure--NX have sprinkled enough misleading clues that it cannot be pinpointed exactly."

But one can take the bulk of the evidence and come up with some educated guesses.  I will explore some of these below.

Some include (references to specific episodes are in [brackets]):

It's in the 63rd parallel, placing it in the main body of the state. [Hello, I Love You]
Cantwell, Alaska is latitude 63 23 17 N

You can travel from Cicely to Cantwell on Route 8 (Ruth-Anne and Walt did), which again places it in the main body of the state. [Hello, I Love You].
barkeep: Route 8 is the Denali Highway, which runs east-west between Paxson on the Richardson Highway and Cantwell on the George Parks Highway.Good clue--fits in with some of the others.

 Route 6 also leads into town [Una Volta in L'Inverno]
barkeep: Route 6 is the Steese Highway between Fox (just north of Fairbanks) and Circle on the Yukon River. On this route is Central--another town that in some ways resembles the fictional CicelyNot a useful clue. As it contradicts some of the others.


The men run naked out to Highway 1 when the ice breaks [Spring Break]
barkeep: Highway 1 is the Tok-Cutoff to the Richardson to the Glenn Highway at Glennallen to the Seward Highway, Anchorage to Homer, Alaska.  Good clue because it fits with several others that seem to place Cicely somewhere within south central Alaska.


It's just across the border from Sixty Mile, in Canada. [Northern Hospitality]
barkeep: Sixty-Mile does not exist. There is a Forty-Mile, which is the gold-mining country in the eastern part of Alaska adjacent the Yukon Territory. This clue can be discounted.


It is within a 75 mile radius of 143 degrees W, 62 degrees N, according to the ice-sculpture at Maurice's feast. [The Big Feast]
barkeep: Talkeetna is at 62:20:13N 150:05:33W


The address on the post card that Joel sends to Maggie is

Maggie O'Connell
P.O. Box 86
Cicely, AK 99729

barkeep: The zip code for Cantwell, AK.

However, it is noteworthy that Cantwell is one of the destinations frequently mentioned in the series, which eliminates that community from consideration. 




It's north of the Arctic Circle because they spend some days in complete darkness [Northern Lights] and some days in complete light [Midnight Sun] It's south of the Arctic Circle because they don't have permafrost [Survival of the Species]
barkeep: The only place where this happens are certain Inupiat communities.  None of them even remotely resemble mythical Cicely.  This clue is not useful and might as well not be considered.


It's 40 air-minutes from Anchorage, the nearest hospital. (Joel tells Shelly she'll be going there to deliver. [Baby Blues]) Maggie also receives her flight service briefings from Anchorage.
barkeep: Could be Talkeetna or the Gulkana airstrip near Glennallen. Good clue.

It's 200 miles from the next nearest town. [Ill Wind]
barkeep: That's about right for Chitina or Cantwell.Good clue.

It's 200 miles from Sleetmute, and not too far from Unalakleet.
barkeep: This one matches nothing. Both of those are in far-western Alaska, well off the highway system on or near the Bering Sea !Actually, all the references to Sleetmute can be discounted. Sleetmute is a small barge landing on the Kuskokwim River with no discernible town.

It's 400 miles from Soldotna (the length of the drive for the owner of "Rick" the dog.) [Animals R Us]
barkeep: Could be either Chitina or Talkeetna . Good clue.


It's 500 miles from Sourdough. [Spring Break]
barkeep: This one does not fit anything. Sourdough is just north of Glennallen. The writers obviously found this name on either a map or a book of Alaskan place-names and liked it, just as they did Sleetmute and Unalakleet. This clue can be discounted.
 

aerial of Copper Center where the Klutina (right) meets the Copper River (top). The CRD (my home and business) is on the left (click)


It's located along a river (or at least Roslyn, WA is), and is 1000 miles from Anchorage [Kaddish] (which of course, means that Maggie's little Cessna 170 travels at 1500 miles an hour :-)
barkeep: The Susitna flows near Talkeetna, the Copper flows near Chitina. Both are subject to a massive breakup every spring--much as described in the episode "Spring Break." The distance can be discounted, but the existence of a river is a useful clue.


It's in the panhandle, because the specific Indians mentioned are Pacific Northwest tribes
barkeep: The Indians are prototypical Pacific coastal Natives with the recognizable totem poles that mark them as such.  They do resemble Tlingit or Haidas, but are actually a kind of generic coastal mix of Natives. In fact, the Native stand-ins were from a mix of tribes from various places in Washington State. This clue can be discounted, except for one thing:
the presence of so many Natives in the series, which is not the case with Roslyn, is in itself a clue. Best locations based on this are Chitina, Copper Center, and to a much lesser extent, Talkeetna.  I know of other fellow Natives who were attracted to this series largely because it marked the first time (and maybe only time) we know of where Natives were present in ways that were a) reasonably realistic in their portrayal and b) numerous. They were literally integrated into the fictional town with many, many stand-ins. We really appreciated both of these aspects of NX, of course. It was, I believe, very much in keeping with the highly-unusual and very compelling spirit of the entire show.



It's in the panhandle portion that runs along the coast next to Canada ("The cusp of the new Alaskan Riviera" - premiere episode)
barkeep: This one doesn't fit in with the others, although the climate in SE more closely fits the filming site of Roslyn, Washington than does the interior. This clue can be discounted.


At least we know that it's on a major log truck route, and there are paved roads nearby [premiere].
barkeep: There actually was a modern-day logging operation around Chitina and Copper Center in the late 90s after the show went off the air. However, Southeast Alaska was the only major logging area in Alaska (not anymore. That industry was largely killed by environmental law suits years ago). No log trucks were used in SE except maybe on some of the remote islands.  This clue is not very useful. 



original clues came from alt.tv.northern.exp newsgroup
http://www.stephenscruises.com/graphics/map.jpg

Although it is obvious that there is no way to determine the intended location of the fictional Alaskan town of Cicely, I have always maintained that it most resembles Talkeetna on the Alaska Railroad route and the Parks Highway, but even more so it appears to be a cross between Talkeetna and Chitina (see map above). It could also, in some ways, be my own locality of Copper Center. 


Downtown Roslyn: Pennsylvania Avenue, the main drag (click)


The problem is obvious: too many contradictory clues. Additionally, if one is to look at the actual filming location, it does not much resemble any place in interior Alaska, being far too developed with all those paved streets with sidewalks, the many brick structures, and large number of houses surrounding the main town.  In this sense fictional Cicely does appear to somewhat resemble either Juneau, Sitka or Ketchikan (where I grew up), but not sufficiently so in conjunction with the other clues.


Talkeetna: 62:20:13N 150:05:33W
Chitina: 61:31:29N 144:29:21W

C-6.jpg


Beautiful downtown Chitina !



--- In My-Cicely@yahoogroups.com, Alces Alces Chickus wrote:


>
> I am not sure if anyone on this list has asked this question before but I
> thought I would ask anyway; based on all you know about NX, where would
> Cicely, AK be located within present day Alaska if it was a real town?
> Central AK? Southern AK? Near what real city? I have not been able to
> figure this out so far so I thought I would ask the trivia experts :0)
>
> Michael (Rockymtnmoose)
>



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02/10/2008 12:57 PM  

Of course, what I really like about Cicely in the context of  its Roslyn, Washington prototype, is the historicrailroad connection: Not one but two: Northern Pacific and Milwaukee Road.



Natually, being the (converted) dedicated model railroader that I now am, I spent some time while in Roslyn and Cle Elum investigating the railroad features of those locations. There wasn't much left to see in Roslyn except the old depot, which was actually a railroad warehouse, not a passenger structure. But the Milwaukee Road depot at Cle Elum and the railroad artifacts surrounding it are quite interesting.




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02/10/2008 1:56 PM  
It has been a long time since I've seen the series, but Sutton, to the NE of Palmer (more or less), might be a passable fit. Otherwise, I'd say Talkeetna.
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02/10/2008 2:41 PM  
Posted By ThinkerT on 02/10/2008 1:56 PM
It has been a long time since I've seen the series, but Sutton, to the NE of Palmer (more or less), might be a passable fit. Otherwise, I'd say Talkeetna.

Not a bad choice at all.  I should have considered it. After all, that's the family burial grounds (the visible Russian Orthodox-style spirit houses along the main highway)---so I am somewhat familiar with it and it is another historic railroad town. This was the home of the coal washing facility for the Chickaloon branch of the Alaska Railroad.  However, there is not much of a discernable downtown--definitely nothing the rises to the character of the NX Cicely town. 



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02/12/2008 1:54 PM  
The Sun is Back

It has been a bit dreary around here the last few months, with very little daylight and no sun hitting the ground here on the property at all for most of December and January. There is always sun hitting these mountains which I see as you see them here from this end of my property looking east.



I took these just before noon. Above is Mt. Drum and below is Mt. Wrangell. As you can see from the lower one, not a lot of sun is  hitting the ground just yet. It was minus 15 this morning--still very crisp, but a considerable improvement over the minus 55 of a few days ago.








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02/12/2008 2:00 PM  
The sun has been hitting the property in the last two weeks . . .


Here you see the end of the Phase II track loop (piled high with snow) with the 32-foot long Cicely model building behind it. Inside it is perfectly dry but a bit cold !   When you enlarge the picture, look at the snow hanging over the edge of the roof extension on the Cicely building.





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02/12/2008 5:32 PM  
The CP E-8 from Art Knapp Trains:




The last of the locomotives I had designated for the Phase II line arrived in early February.  This will be the second #-8 in my inventory (the other one is a Santa Fe).  When I first tried to obtain one of these, Art Knapp Trains, Surrey, B.C., had already run out and did not anticipate any more for another year. But a second shipment did arrive.

Of course, I ordered one of them, and I have it next to my Aristo CP  FA-FB unit  for comparison, as you can see in the final photo.  When I ordered this E-8 I decided it was time to set up a new shelf (off of the ceiling as seems to be my style in the last few years) for these units as well as a few others that are not expected to go on line in the next year or so.

The diesel CP s are attractive engines, but this is not their year. I just wanted them on hand for when the time comes, which should be 2009.  That is when I expect to put two full CP consists together. Thank you once again, Art Knapp. 






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02/14/2008 4:27 PM  

The Sun Finally Gains Ground on the Klutina River:


The Klutina flows along the southern edge of my property. I have 600 feet of mostly-cleared river frontage on that bank and face the hill you see in the first photo. This hill blocks the winter sun from hitting any of my property for almost all of December and January.


Above: My earlier tracks leading to the river, which lies in shadows
Below: the iced-over Klutina River looking west toward the bridge. Some sun is finally starting to hit this part of  the river.



Below: Looking downstream to the east, this part of the river remains in the shadows as of today, Feb 14th.


Below:  I walked out to the nearly the midway point of the Klutina to take this picture of my river bank.  Some sun if just starting to hit that bank for the first time.


Below: my low-level river bank looking west.  Last year all of the low flat area  was under ice due to river overflows. This year the river ice level is several feet lower than last year.


The temperature today was the warmest it has been in quite some time.  I was able to walk out here
without being completely bundled up.  That makes it difficult to take good pictures. All of the above 
are clickable to a larger size.  



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02/15/2008 2:19 AM  

Mt Drum from the CRD property, 14 Feb 2008

The high cloud cover is due to a low pressure that is entering the area counter-clockwise  from the Gulf of Alaska resulting in an unusually warm day. We call it a "chinook." 

It has just occurred to me that I have all but made it through winter. At the most we are looking at 1 1/2 months of wintery weather, after which spring breakup is underway. Most likely, it will start earlier than that.

It is a good feeling to realize that another winter is nearly over, believe me. It has not been an easy one.








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02/15/2008 12:47 PM  
The new ALCANEX logo on my steel water tower for placement on the Cicely model:







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02/15/2008 3:20 PM  
It's getting a little crowded around here:
I have been accumulating pieces for a modern town model for 15 years (the early ones are those expensive Franklin Mint and Danbury Mint models), although most of what you see here was acquired within the last two years, which was when I knew that I would be building a modern town.  Until now, my towns have all been circa 1920s-era, so much of what I had has been sitting for many years just accumulating dust.

Now, thanks to the Phase II 1:29 project, I will have NX-Cicely, Alaska.   Cicely will be the home for all of this and a whole lot more. I can hardly wait. All of this is taking up most of one bedroom.

This is not even the main storage area for all those goes into the Phase II model. All of that is in Uncle Nicolai's shop next door. In there the high walls are shelved to the ceiling with rolling stock. Then there are the boxes full of additional rolling stock, model buildings, more model trucks and cars and a large assortment of other detail pieces.






That stage coach is a Wells Fargo. I have the WF bank under construction now. 
Other odd items of interest:  two 1:24 scale airstreams (like the one used for the
Chris Stevens character in NX)
The batmobile with Batman and Robin: Always wanted it: now I have it and in the right 1:24 scale
The infamous "Christine" from the Stephen King movie by t hat name. Yes, indeed.
And check out that Harley Davidson 18-wheeler--Goes with the custom cycle shop made for me a few years back, which will also inhabit the new town once it is up early this year.





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Danbury Mint cars: "We pay tribute to the legendary Stephen King horror film 'Christine' with . . . Dennis Guilder's '68 Charger with the California license plate as seen on-screen . . .precisely re-created."

Christine: "replica of the murderous 1958 Plymouth Fury from the legendary Stephen King novel and film. . ."

and, of course, the Batmobile from the 1960s television series. In the background is my Harley 18-wheeler--a real find. 




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02/15/2008 6:06 PM  
The Wells Fargo Stagecoach:

I always wanted one of these to go with my model. One day this came up on Ebay. Wasn't cheap, either due to its relative rarity. I'd never seen another one of these. Have you?  It will go with the bank building now being modified for the Cicely model.






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02/15/2008 6:11 PM  
The LGB large-scale train hobby shop:
This too, appears to be a relatively rare item. A sign will be added to this to personalize it specifically for the Cicely model. I like the date on it. That was my high-school graduation year.







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Service Station #1 of 2

Although the Union Oil pumps are displayed with this one, it will be an Esso station. Another one will be a Union.  I believe this was a Danbury Mint display piece. It works out well for my purposes and will fit in nicely.






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