puffnstuff
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 | | 01/05/2008 5:01 PM |
| Like every one else I was excited at this new item.
Sadly Aristo have decided to do it to 1:29 scale "to make it compatible with their trains" The rest of my traction models (Bachmann, LGB and HLW are ALL 1:25-1:24), and I don't recall any 1:29 scale buses which complement that scale either. I don't think that these need to be the same scale as the locomotives in their range - from my (limited) knowledge there were no combined traction / railway operations. The PCC car is a favourite of mine, but I got caught once before with 'scale' for these - have a look at the Corgi cars, the 1:50 scale buses they were produced alongside trying to masquerade as 'O' scale. Any Corgi couldn't work out why they didn't sell a heap more of them. I will reserve final judgement until they appear later this year, but I am not holding my breath. P'n'S | | | |
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GURU388
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 | | 01/05/2008 5:49 PM |
| | The mock up pictured above is of a pre War PCC while the first one shown on this thread is a post war car with pilot windows on the sides for standing passengers. The better one to do would be the later one but Lewis posted he is doing the pre war one. Always dissapointed by Lewis. | |
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NTCGRR 1st Class Member Nebraska City NE
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 | | 01/05/2008 5:55 PM |
| Now Howard, you just can't let it go,,,can you................ | |
 Marty Cozad North Table Creek GRR Nebraska City, NE
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altterrain
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 | | 01/05/2008 6:06 PM |
| Just lending credence to the old saying "you can't please everyone"!  Everything Aristo has designed has been 1:29 scale (not counting the purchased Delton molds for the AristoClassics line). In what possible way would it make business sense to change that now? and Howard. I'm quite surprised by your comments. Lewis chose to manufacture the original design. It makes sense business wise to use the earliest prototype as this could fit in the greatest range of eras. This new product was a surprise to just about everyone and folks are already griping about it because its not the particular version they would like. Geesh!  -Brian | | Presidents of
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NTCGRR 1st Class Member Nebraska City NE
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 | | 01/05/2008 8:01 PM |
| Howard your still the sweet loving kind person I have always known you to be. Hope your out working on your RR in this cooler weather out west. I tried to deice the track today and broke two switch machines. | |
 Marty Cozad North Table Creek GRR Nebraska City, NE
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Spule 4
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 | | 01/05/2008 8:13 PM |
| Posted By Dave Meashey on 01/03/2008 6:29 PM Wow! I remember the man staffing the tables turned up his nose when I asked whether a version with a Faiverly pantograph would be offered. I did not ask to be a wise guy. All my juice jacks have pantographs. I find them less temperamental than trolley poles. At least they were during my HO/OO days. I even made a bow collector for a Bachmann Brill that gave me less trouble than a trolley pole. Of course my catenary looked like something strung by a drunken spider! Does anyone here know where I purchase a large scale metal Faiverly pantograph for a reasonable cost? The only option I have seen so far is to buy an LGB modern Swiss locomotive, then toss it and keep the pantographs. Not very cost effective. Well I will be watching this model with great interest. Yours, David Meashey The PCC cars in the Netherlands used full pans: http://members.tripod.com/PCC_car/ http://www.haagstramnieuws.org/ There was another good site with more historic photos including RTM narrow gauge, but no dice....no longer hosted... There is a prototype for everything! Now, will Aristo do Dutch paintjobs??? | | Garrett
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Bill Swindell 1st Class Member Martinez, CA
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 | | 01/05/2008 8:30 PM |
| David, Can't you get Flavely pantographs as parts from one of the existing manufacturers? Also, San Francisco had/has a double ended PCC with both poles and a Flavely pan on it, #2008. We chartered it one day and had a great time running around the city on it. | |

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Allan W. Miller 1st Class Member Struthers, Ohio
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 | | 01/06/2008 4:39 AM |
| "This new product was a surprise to just about everyone and folks are already griping about it because its not the particular version they would like."
Amazing, isn't it! You'll find that "they should have done..." stuff in just about every scale in this hobby these days. Whatever happened to kitbashing, scratch building, and modifying things yourself if you're not happy with the original version of a product?
Kudos to Lewis for taking the bold step of creating something that's a significant departure from his usual line. My guess is that these cars will do very well in the marketplace because the prototypes were very common and widely used and the models (in Large Scale, at least) unheard of. | | Allan | |
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Jerry Barnes 1st Class Member Lexington, NE
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 | | 01/06/2008 9:32 AM |
| I think I"ll get one. May revive track power on my inner loop and have it do a point to point run from my N station to the S station. Jerry | | Life is too short to take seriously. | |
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Ltotis 1st Class Member
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 | | 01/06/2008 2:41 PM |
| We still use them in Boston on the Mattapan to Ashmont (Dorchester) extension of the Red Line. This takes you along the Neponset River past the old Baker's Chocolate plant and through a Cemetery. It's a beautiful ride! At one time Double Enders ran on this line. As a kid in Boston and through to my adult years I would see a Trolley every once and a while at the end of a Red ine train. You could not get on the Trolley. This was when the Red Line ended at Harvard Station. If you ever get up to Boston you can checkout the PCC Trolley on display at Boylston Street Station on the Green Line and ride the Asmont-Mattapan line.
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MarkLewis 1st Class Member Mustang, OK
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 | | 01/06/2008 4:03 PM |
| Posted By Ted_Roy on 01/02/2008 12:24 PM
According to Lewis's post in the Aristo forums the molds are in process now for a late summer release date....
Ted.
From the Aristo Forum.....
Dear All,
The PCC Trolley being modeled is the first one from the late 1930's and is based on the original design of the Presidential Convention Committee, hence PCC. Trust Lewis to get the name wrong: it was the "Presidents' Conference Committee." That doesn't inspire much confidence. Mark | | Mark Lewis Mustang, OK email: oktrains@oktrains.com
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altterrain
silver spring, md
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 | | 01/06/2008 6:00 PM |
| Posted By MarkLewis on 01/06/2008 4:03 PM Posted By Ted_Roy on 01/02/2008 12:24 PM
According to Lewis's post in the Aristo forums the molds are in process now for a late summer release date....
Ted.
From the Aristo Forum.....
Dear All,
The PCC Trolley being modeled is the first one from the late 1930's and is based on the original design of the Presidential Convention Committee, hence PCC. Trust Lewis to get the name wrong: it was the "Presidents' Conference Committee." That doesn't inspire much confidence. Mark Well, you got him there, Mark. I'm sure the whole thing will be an utter disaster now!        
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MarkLewis 1st Class Member Mustang, OK
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 | | 01/07/2008 11:40 AM |
| | | Mark Lewis Mustang, OK email: oktrains@oktrains.com
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Dennis Paulson 1st Class Member Chandler In
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 | | 01/07/2008 2:24 PM |
| | Thanks Bill C for the link to a nice YouTube clip showing a PCC charter in Philly , enjoyed watching it . | |
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bobgrosh 1st Class Member Tallahassee Florida
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 | | 01/07/2008 4:09 PM |
| | Oh WOW! A SUPER EGGLINER | | You'l find me out back, in the ALLY. | |
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GURU388
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altterrain
silver spring, md
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 | | 01/08/2008 12:11 AM |
| Care to place a bet on that Howard? Lets pick a date, say Thanksgiving of this year that the trolleys have to be at the Aristo HQ in NJ. Loser stands out in his backyard only dressed in his undies, sings "The Trolley Song" while videotaping it and posts it on YouTube. How about it?
Clang, clang, clang....
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Great Western
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 | | 01/08/2008 6:18 AM |
| I have the feeling that you might enjoy Thanksgiving this coming year Brian. 
I understand that there have been many products which have taken longer to reach the stores in the past but if the interest shown in these trolleys is a yardstick then I don't think these items will be one of them. Maybe not all the different designs/liveries will be done at the same time but those considered to be the favourites/best sellers will be the first to be on sale.
Lewis often says that Aristo products are not "shelf queens" but I am sure that many of these will be and will have been purchased by folk who don't have large scale railroads. I might even get one myself, although no such type of street car ran here (the nearest looking equivalent being at Blackpool. | | regards, Alan Lott (G1AEU) http://picasaweb.google.com/FSigs52 http://www.paignton-steamrailway.co.uk ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them Benjamin Franklin said it first. David H. Comins
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