Shay Gear Head
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 | | 01/22/2008 12:32 PM |
| Diamondhead 2008 Drawbar Pull Results There were seventeen entries in the annual Drawbar Pulling competition at the 2008 International Small Scale Steamup. The results in each category are as follows: One Axle Sonny Wizelman Rail Truck 9.3 oz John Riley Rail Truck 6.3 oz Two Axle Dave Hottmann Super Ruby 50.6 oz Ed Johnson Accucraft Edrig 45.7 oz Bill Boyle Regner Willi 42.8 oz Larry Newman Ruby-Mason 26.6 oz Carl Weaver Tram Loco 24.9 oz Dan Tilden Ruby 14.8 oz Three Axle Doug Whithaus Roundhouse Fowler 33.2 oz Four Axle Bob Pope P-1 Diesel 103.7 oz Richard Jacobs Accu 3cyl Shay 88.4 oz Bill Payne Aster Climax 60.8 oz Mitch Mitchell Accucraft C-16 50.8 oz Five Axle Charlie Mynhier 0-10-0 Switcher 72.1 oz Six & Eight Axle John Garrett Accucraft 4t Shay 108.6 oz John Garrett Accucraft Garratt 80.5 oz Paul Latour Accu Cab Forward 74.9 oz Hopefully next year more entries will be presented.
The O gauge switcher had the unbelieveable pulling power of over 50% efficiency - power to weight ratio!
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Bob Pope
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| | 01/22/2008 12:42 PM |
| Thanks for putting on a first class event Bruce! We all had a great time.
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David Rose
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| | 01/22/2008 3:14 PM |
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Not to be dense, but what is a Accucraft 4t Shay?
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Charles
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| | 01/22/2008 3:23 PM |
| Dave
Here is the photo built by Ol' Fart
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Ed Hume
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| | 01/22/2008 5:59 PM |
| Bob better savor his 4-axle victory with the Diesel while he can because Black Magic is itching to drag him around the track and show him what Made in USA steam can do!
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chooch
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| | 01/22/2008 6:29 PM |
| Can't find a picture of it at the moment, but I do have a video that I took. The loco is currently owned by John Garrett.
The file is 4.6M, so make sure you have hi speed unless you want to wait a long time.
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Bob Pope
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| | 01/22/2008 6:39 PM |
| Hi Ed,
Your Black Magic is a gorgeous locomotive - I'm honored that you would challenge my poor little Diesel Passenger Streamliner!
But I'm afraid your beauty queen might go for a backwards spin herself behind some Made in USA Diesel!
To be serious for a moment, you are a true craftsman and I look forward to meeting you and seeing the Black Magic in person.
Of course I might have some new trucks with larger motors on the diesel by next year, and lower gearing, and more throttle throw, and some additional weight..... And then there's that Diesel freight locomotive I plan to build (but that will be in the 12-axle category).
Bob
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Charles
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| | 01/22/2008 7:09 PM |
| Fred
The photo is as referenced in prior post per this thread thanks to John' coverage of DH 08
Posted By Charles on 01/22/2008 3:23 PM
Dave Here is the photo built by Ol' Fart
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chooch
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Houghton Lake, Michigan
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| | 01/22/2008 8:02 PM |
| Charles,
Here is the message I get when I try to follow your link.
Your client does not have permission to get URL
/s912 from this server.
Can't see any picture from your link, but will post it here.
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Ed Hume
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| | 01/22/2008 8:04 PM |
| Hi Bob,
You better work on those mods for your diesel because we are not standing still either. Climax #3 will be blowing steam at 74# with 4 power strokes per rev cranked down an all stainless steel power train with 2.25:1 gearing to show you what for, yes sir!
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Bob Pope
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| | 01/22/2008 9:59 PM |
| Ed,
Very impressive! How much does it weigh?
The overall title is what interests me - this is currently being traded between diesel and steam.
In 2007 Diesel barely won:
One Axle
Neshkin Woods Loco 14.8oz
McHale Wood Thing 2 Disqualified in Tech Inspection – Too Wide
Two Axle
Martocci Sammie 3lb 1.7oz
Joslyn Willi 3lb 0.5oz
Simpson Edrig 2lb 15.6oz
Bailey Cedrig 2lb 8.7oz
Sheehan Betty’s Willi 2lb 8.0oz
Jacobs Forney 2lb 2.9oz
Riley Lumber Jack 1lb 4.1oz
Simpson Cricket 1lb 3.2oz
Weidner Billie 1lb 10.8oz
Three Axle
Coghran Cheddar 3lb 11.8oz
Pope Fowler 15.8oz
Four Axle
Bednarik, R Daylight 4lb 12.8oz
Quirk, P Aster 141 1lb 8.0oz
Six Axle
Barker Garratt 6lb 1.2oz
Shays
Sortino Accucraft 3 Cyl. 6lb 2.4oz
Garrett Class D 4lb 15.5oz
Diesel
Pope P-1 Homebuilt 6lb 6.2oz
In 2008 the title went back to steam with a win by John Garrett.
So who will win in 2009, Steam or Diesel? You seem to have some tricks up your sleeve. No telling what John Garrett's shay will pull with some more weight in the water tank. Charlie Mynhier's switcher pulled half it's weight. Accucraft has the new K-36. And I'll have a freight Diesel with 3-axle trucks and an alternator instead of a generator for next year. I think the days of an overall win in the 6-pound range are over!
2009 should be an interesting year for the drawbar competition.
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weaverc
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Lexington Virginia
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| | 01/23/2008 9:30 AM |
| Bruce,
Thanks for the fun time.... | |
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Shay Gear Head
Easley, South Carolina
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| | 01/23/2008 11:32 AM |
| Carl,
Glad you had a fun time, even though I didn't have a special "Tram" class just for you. If your loco had been an internal combustion prototype it would have fit in the "Truck" catagory and wiped out the competition! | |
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber & Mining Company
Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Recreating the past with live steam Shay locomotives and lots of log cars. | |
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Bob Pope
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| | 01/24/2008 6:45 AM |
| Hi Ed,
The new trucks with larger (550 size) motors for the Diesel should be here next week!
I hope things are going well with Climax #3 - that is going to be one beautiful locomotive.
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David Rose
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| | 01/24/2008 7:47 AM |
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Does anyone know the all time record for the draw bar contest?
We need to get one of these draw bar contests at Cabin Fever!! Sounds like fun. | |
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Shay Gear Head
Easley, South Carolina
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| | 01/24/2008 8:40 AM |
| To Bob Pope and all past winners,
There will be a new rule added to the competition next year if Jerry sees fit to adopt it. The rule is that any locomotive that has won a past competition cannot compete again. This will keep things fresh and keep the the walls from filling up with certificates and trophies for the same locomotive! Any locomotive is welcome to pull, to compare past results, but past winners will not be considered for the trophies awarded. | |
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber & Mining Company
Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Recreating the past with live steam Shay locomotives and lots of log cars. | |
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Shay Gear Head
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| | 01/24/2008 8:56 AM |
| David Rose asked,
"Does anyone know the all time record for the draw bar contest?
We need to get one of these draw bar contests at Cabin Fever!! Sounds like fun."
My records show that John Coghran (somewhere in his eighties?) has the record for the heaviest pull on record. It was in the "One Finger" class. Using the index finger he pulled 8 lbs. 4.6 oz (132.6 oz). This was a special class instituted due to a lack of locomotive entries in 2007. The 4t "Herget" Shay of John Garrett appears to be the strongest in recent recorded history at 108.6 oz. The Shay design is fittingly a good one for this static pull. If someone could come up with some form of dynamic pull device it would probably be a different story.
You could do this at the Cabin Fever show by using the article from Steam in the Garden to construct your own equipment. | |
Bruce Gathman, President
Eldorado Timber & Mining Company
Tall Trees - Deep Shafts
Recreating the past with live steam Shay locomotives and lots of log cars. | |
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Bob Pope
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Tallahassee, FL
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| | 01/24/2008 9:10 AM |
| Bruce - I'm happy that you are willing to let past winners participate - even if not for the trophy.
I'm also planning to build a freight locomotive.
Will there be a class for an A-B unit with 3-axle trucks (for 12 axles total)? Could it compete as an A unit in the 6-axle class and as an A-B unit in the 12 axle class?
I'd hate to go to all that effort and not be able to compete.
Thanks,
Bob | | | |
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wboylejr
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| | 01/24/2008 11:59 AM |
| Bob,
why don't you just make a model of a Baldwin Centipede and get it over with! How many driving axel can one man build?
Bill | | | |
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