Bob Pope 1st Class Member Tallahassee, FL
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 | | 11/16/2008 11:06 AM |
| Hi Ed,
Absolutely incredible! Are you coming to Diamondhead?
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Shay Gear Head
Easley, South Carolina
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 | | 11/16/2008 12:06 PM |
| | That's one "PROFESSIONAL" looking finish. I've got a couple of locos overdue for completion and this might help me to get them out to finish. | | Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber & Mining Company Tall Trees - Deep Shafts Recreating the past with live steam Shay locomotives and lots of log cars. | |
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livesteam5629 1st Class Member Elkton, MD
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 | | 11/16/2008 12:59 PM |
| Ed, Thanks for the info on Gun-Kote. I have their website book marked. I know of an individual who used it on his 71/2 in gauge engine. Loves it. Noel | | Noel Crawford | |
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bfindus
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 | | 11/16/2008 2:50 PM |
| I tried to find a website for KG Systems but couldn't find it. Do you have a source of info for the paint manufacturer? Bill | | | |
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Ed Hume 1st Class Member Austin TX
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 | | 11/16/2008 3:04 PM |
| Looks like their company name is actually KG Industries, LLC. Their website is www.kgcoatings.com
Bob, I was not planning on Diamondhead this year, but I want to some day. Seeing your diesels would be a real highlight of the trip.
Ed | | | |
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gibs035 1st Class Member Houston Texas
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 | | 11/16/2008 3:46 PM |
| Ed, She is abeaut. Wish you could bring her to run on Tuesday At Steve's . Suppose to be a great day.40's early and up to the low 60's later.
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Bob Pope 1st Class Member Tallahassee, FL
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 | | 11/16/2008 7:12 PM |
| Thanks Ed - I looked at your photos on flickr - thanks for documenting everything. I would love to see your work (and you) in person one day.
Regards, Bob | | | |
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HMeinhold
Fremont,CA
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 | | 11/16/2008 7:37 PM |
| Ed, I admire 2 facts especially about your excellent loco: #1 The decision to go from ride-on scale to 1:20.3. Most people go the opposite way. #2 Cutting the gears. I intend to build a ride-on A-Climax, but still chicken out when it comes to the gears, in spite of Kozo's excellent manual. Regards | | Henner Donkey Doctor East Devils Hill Lumber Co. | |
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xo18thfa 1st Class Member Las Vegas, Nevada
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 | | 11/17/2008 4:49 PM |
| Ed: I forgot to ask you how well the Walschearts valve gear works. Kozo does very meticulous work so my guess it works great. Henner Meinhold mentioned he wants to build a ride on Climax, but is worried of the gears. Kozo's Climax book shows how to use stock bevel gears in place of the offsets.
If anyone want to build one in 7.5" (7.25") gauge, this company sells gears:
http://www.precisionlocomotivecastings.com/ | | Bob Sorenson SA #13 "Goals are dreams with deadlines"
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Ed Hume 1st Class Member Austin TX
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 | | 11/17/2008 7:33 PM |
| Thanks guys.
I am still debugging - getting after leaks, etc, so, Art I am not ready for Steaming at Steve's on Tuesday - I hope to be there later this month.
I have had the loco running briefly on rollers and the valve gear is working fine. I never bothered to run on air because I knew the design was sound - you can trust Kozo completely. The pumping lubricator is also working well. | | | |
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Dwight Ennis Moderator Milpitas, CA
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 | | 11/18/2008 10:19 AM |
| So Ed, just how durable is this Gun-Kote? How easily is it scratched, etc. with the normal handling associated with our live steamers? Does handling eventually wear it off? Beautiful work on the Climax!! She's a real jewel! | |
 Dwight Ennis Milpitas, CA SA #21 http://www.SantaCruzLumberCo.com
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HMeinhold
Fremont,CA
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 | | 11/18/2008 1:11 PM |
| Posted By xo18thfa on 11/17/2008 4:49 PM ... Henner Meinhold mentioned he wants to build a ride on Climax, but is worried of the gears. Kozo's Climax book shows how to use stock bevel gears in place of the offsets.
If anyone want to build one in 7.5" (7.25") gauge, this company sells gears:
http://www.precisionlocomotivecastings.com/
A Climax without the correct gears is a no-no for me. As this model will be a companion to my 1" Heisler, I eventually have to bite the bullet and make the gears. Of course, Kozo makes it look easy (like books about golfing...), but I am still chickening out...
Regards
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Shay Gear Head
Easley, South Carolina
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 | | 11/18/2008 1:23 PM |
| Henner, Don't you go changing hobbies on us now! Long live the 4L Society. The grass is always greener on the golf course but that doesn't mean the cows enjoy it anymore. The milk comes out just the same. | | Bruce Gathman, President Eldorado Timber & Mining Company Tall Trees - Deep Shafts Recreating the past with live steam Shay locomotives and lots of log cars. | |
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Ed Hume 1st Class Member Austin TX
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 | | 11/18/2008 3:56 PM |
| Dwight, the Gun-Kote does well for wear. One thing I do to promote adhesion is to beadblast the metal before painting. This results in a matte surface that is microscopically rough and gives the coating a good surface. The product was originally developed for firearms so it stands up well to high temperature and handling. I have been using my Heisler for a couple years and it looks pretty new. Out of the oven it is hard - not like ordinary paint that may be gummy until it dries.
Henner - don't be afraid to make the gears. If you can make a working Heisler, you will succeed.
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Dwight Ennis Moderator Milpitas, CA
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 | | 11/18/2008 4:14 PM |
| | Thanks Ed. Forgive me for asking yet another question, but what do you use to bead blast? | |
 Dwight Ennis Milpitas, CA SA #21 http://www.SantaCruzLumberCo.com
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Ed Hume 1st Class Member Austin TX
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 | | 11/18/2008 6:16 PM |
| Dwight, I have a large benchtop-size sandblaster that I use with 100-170 mesh glass bead media. My air compressor is 3 hp peak, and it can do 5cfm at 90psi. This is small for sandblasting but it does get the job done. I have the air compressor on a hand truck and I wheel it into the garage for blasting and back in the shop for coating.
Regards, Ed
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Shaymaker
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 | | 11/19/2008 4:13 AM |
| A Climax without the correct gears is a no-no for me. As this model will be a companion to my 1" Heisler, I eventually have to bite the bullet and make the gears. Of course, Kozo makes it look easy (like books about golfing...), but I am still chickening out... It IS easy, just time consuming. When I started thinking about the Catatonk Climax, I reasoned that I would have to sure about making the gears before committing myself to the project. The first step was to take Kozo's formalae and convert them into a spreadsheet - I could then play with numbers until I got the diameters and gear ratios I wanted. I ended up with 12:21, which meant that, over a period of time, each tooth would have to mesh with every other tooth, thus evening out the wear.
As I was making more than one loco (I had to make about 400 pairs of gears to allow for "scrappers") I decided that CNC was the route to go. Accordingly, I fitted stepper motors and a cheapo computer to my Taiwan miller and rotary table and simply plugged in the numbers. As a result, having done the groundwork, I could mount up the turned blank gear, press the "go" button and get on with something else whilst the machine produced swarf. If you're only making one loco, this is a lot of work (although the benefits of having a CNC machine in the workshop are considerable) so the time could best be spent making up the odd shaped bits of metal as specified by Kozo. Do exactly what he says, and you'll be sure of success. Go for it! When you look at the finished Climax, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about. Good luck..... Mike Chaney | | | |
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xo18thfa 1st Class Member Las Vegas, Nevada
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 | | 11/19/2008 3:54 PM |
| Henner: I know you can do it. If you can drill a 0.006" hole for a gas jet, you can cut some of Kozo's gears. Here is something that might help with the math Take care, Bob | | Bob Sorenson SA #13 "Goals are dreams with deadlines"
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Ed Hume 1st Class Member Austin TX
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 | | 11/23/2008 6:14 PM |
| Here is a short video segment showing the Climax running on rollers- The preview mode is not showing the embedded shockwave video from flickr, so I am not sure this post will work.... The URL of the video is http://www.flickr.com/photos/edhume3/3053734641/in/set-72157600964223180/ | | | |
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gibs035 1st Class Member Houston Texas
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 | | 11/23/2008 6:52 PM |
| Ed She is a "BEAUT". Your video worked out fine. Im gonna be gone for a couple of weeks, Hope to see her at Steve.s soon. Have a great TG.
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