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| | 10/11/2008 5:59 AM |
| Aileen has piston valves. She also lacks packing glands which makes for some fairly spectacular running in cold weather.
There's no question she's earned a rebuild.
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| | 10/11/2008 7:41 PM |
| You guys are almost worse than the RC people of which RC ubit should run what. I do have AC oil coming, but have not found any butane. And there is another,,, if and or but also. | |
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JEFF RUNGE
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| | 10/11/2008 7:57 PM |
| | Marty, let me put this into perspective, Live steamers in our sizes cost about what a used car costs, just under a grand too over 20K, so would you put "bar oil" in the engine of your car??... probably not if you want it to have a long service life! | | | |
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| | 10/11/2008 8:41 PM |
| Marty Becoming an informed consumer along with an experienced lived steamer you'll be an insider with opinions on what is best and defending the right to say so.... Until then might try some other brands so that you can compare as to value of the product for utilization in your real steam engine:
Quisenberry Station steam oil Green Velvet
Roundhouse All the above have a proven track record among the steaming community.
I cannot remember feedback on MLS or any other live steam forum that would recommend chain saw oil for gauge one live steam engines.
Bottom line for the cost of specifically design lubricate along with the cheap but best water, "steam" distilled, why not the tried and true supplies? I am sure the thread will list many other offerings to satisfy the needs of safe locomotive operations but a good reference point is:
Harry Wade's article- | |
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| | 10/12/2008 6:03 AM |
| Any one use this Steam Oil from PM Research?
http://www.pmresearchinc.com/store/product.php?productid=3612&cat=13&page=1
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Jerry Barnes
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| | 10/12/2008 9:07 AM |
| Charles,
Thanks for the article, very interesting reading.
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| | 10/12/2008 9:29 AM |
| What have I learned from this thread? Marty's got Live steam  Chris Scott is speachless  | |
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| | 10/12/2008 9:48 AM |
| I did not "say" I had one, I just need the info... If I had one, at this moment very strongly thinking of saling it. If its this much trouble with who and what is right based on each persons exsperience. | |
Marty Cozad
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Jerry Barnes
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| | 10/12/2008 9:54 AM |
| | Running a live steamer gives you an appreciation of why the railroads got rid of them! It's a different type of running, more involved and labor intensive but quite satisfying. I don't feel like doing it all the time, but it's something new and fun to do. Come over to the steam side some Marty! | |
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Kurt Sykes
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| | 10/12/2008 10:25 AM |
| You want labor intensive? Try running coal fire.It's way too cool..........Or is that hot
You guys argue about steam oil.....ask Dave Hottom what he uses.
And, it does not have any thing to do with cost,It is useing the best product.
I use Lucus.
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| | 10/12/2008 11:12 AM |
| Jeff said--
"Live steamers in our sizes cost about what a used car costs,..."
It's funny you should say that; the conversation on a web site devoted to chain saws is all about whether it's OK to use motor oil instead of bar oil. And the conclusion seemed to be about the same on both sides of the question. | | | |
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Jerry Barnes
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| | 10/12/2008 12:50 PM |
| | I just bought some Lucas Oil Treatment. I know Dave Hottman uses it 100%, heard of others mixing it 50/50 with their steam oil. | |
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| | 10/12/2008 1:39 PM |
| | treatment or stabilizer?? | |
Marty Cozad
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JEFF RUNGE
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| | 10/12/2008 2:36 PM |
| | Dave H. ain't he the guy who said "I have $30K in a Ruby" ? I don't understand why anyone would use anything but steam oil in their live steamer? Do you use something other then motor oil in your car engine (lubrication system)? Do you run Anti-freeze in your transmission? Oh I know it's the same guys that put propane in their A/C system, sure it makes cold air .. for a while, and when the next owner is having the cars A/C serviced.. or the car is involved in a wreck and goes up on a ball of fire! Back to Steam oil, at 3 ml per hour ( and that a lot of oil ) a qt of steam oil will give you about 315 hrs of run time! Now think about how much you spend on fuel and distilled water to run that long! I can run about 8 hrs on a gallon of alcohol (current cost $5.50/gallon US) Distilling my own water about $.15/gallon (store bought $1.00 per gallon) I use about 1/2 gallon per hour depending on the engine. so the water and fuel cost less then $1.00 per hour to run. It has been so long since I purchased steam oil I forgot what a quart costs? But even at $10.00 a qt it will run you about $.03 per hour. So of all the consumables we use STEAM OIL is the cheapest on a per hour of run time basis. It is the only thing protecting the internal moving parts in our over worked (when is the last time you ran your car at it's maximum capacity for an hour straight) engines and THIS is where you chose to cut corners and save money, if you want to save 3 cents an hour put a lower watt bulb in lamp by the computer desk. But hey its your engine, your time, rebuild the cylinders as often as you want ... I'll be out running trains, trying to finish off the qt of steam oil I started about 5 years ago. (there's a full one on the shelf, I won as a "door prize" at DH many many years ago) | | | |
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| | 10/12/2008 3:16 PM |
| | This is good gerneral info, have no idea how many running hours you get from a qt, in my mind , qt per month or so. gas ,can per run time, who knows ? I'm just a dumb diesel battery guy asking questions. | |
Marty Cozad
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| | 10/12/2008 3:36 PM |
| Jeff Crystal ball seems to be working well....
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Jerry Barnes
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| | 10/12/2008 3:43 PM |
| Marty,
A quart of steam oil will last most people a long time. Several years, in most cases, so it's not a big expense at all. ONce a steamer is bought, the supplies are really pretty cheap. Distilled water is under a buck a gallon, a case of gas will last a couple of years, unless you run quite a bit. Most people, including me don't run all that much. No sound system needed, or transformers/batteries/wires. Jerry | |
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| | 10/12/2008 3:46 PM |
| Some of our MLS members need to be introduced to "old guard" such as Kevin O'Connor as one of several authors on the subject of steam oil:WHAT NOT TO USE Small scale live steam locomotive operators should never use anything other than compounded steam cylinder oil, containing 4% tallow, for the lubrication of the internal parts of a locomotive’s steam engine.Other mineral based oils such as internal combustion engine oil and machine oil should be avoided because they will not be able to maintain their lubricating properties in the presence of hot water and steam. The result will be metal-to-metal contact between the internal parts of the steam engine assembly, which will result in the scoring and galling of mating wear surfaces. So, before anyone puts their eggs into one basket as to reference or advice: READ- become informed.
Jeff has given an excellent overview that is combined with many years of steaming and building gauge one engines. The other factor about Jeff is his working knowledge of autos; I do not recall him recommending Lucas oil for anything other than internal combustion engines (not that he promotes one motor oil over another, I never asked him).
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