Roger,
I am with you on this one. Tops on my list are a pair of cabeese and a M1.
I’ll scratch build a caboose or two if necessary, but I think we know whose arm we need to twist on the M1 (it would sell).
Geoff Ringle

If his name rhymes with Rich, then I guess I know who you are talking about.

A quick polling of folks who model eastern and western all indicated an interest in the M-1. Just a cool model and one that would work with any modeling situation.

My HOn3 RGS modules may find an M-1 helping the Geese.

Sorry about the earlier request for information on the water tank. Thought they were asking about the Jack's Cabin tank, not the Piko.

Roger Cutter

That's who I am talking about. I agree, the M1 would work for many situations.

Geoff Ringle

Got to get those miners to their job in style and also the Sears Catalogues with the mail.

Neat motor and I guess the only Gas/Electric ever built in NG.

Roger

Great news, the HOn3 RGS East just added a Hallmark EBT M-1 and coach 20. They will make a nice train, even though the M-1 apparently only pulled #8.

In my world it will be an appropriate consist. Again don't rain on my parade.

Now for a #12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 and a caboose.

We really need an M-1 in Fn3.... I want to be first in line.

Those who are in the know, what do they call the color on the M-1?

Roger Cutter

In Kindergarten, we called it Green

Seriously, I've found that Scalecoat 2's "GN dark green" is pretty close to what the EBT uses on their coaches. That particular shade of green varied over the years, so there's really no way to say for certain they used "this" green as opposed to that one. The oxide red on the doors and roof is a tourist-era thing, like the brass boiler bands and white trim on RY's mikado. The Timber Transfer ran an article on painting the M-1 some years back. I'll dig that up and see if I can get specifics.

Later,

K

Thanks. I have not been able to determine if the Parlor 20 is painted as the place I found it is closed. If not I will need to paint and letter. Tip on the color will be very helpful.

Looking forward to getting a DCC motor decoder in the M-1 so it will run on the RGS East HOn3.

Seriously, the M-1 is a natural for Fn3. I cannot find any drawings yet but wondered at the length and width. What I might consider is doing it in brass for myself and then using the brass sides as a mold for others who would not mind a urethane car.

I don't mind doing the rivets.

Roger Cutter

That's a LOT of rivets.

I don't think I've seen a drawing of M1. The spikesys.com reference sources page (http://www.spikesys.com/EBT/mag.html) says there is something in 'S Gaugian' Mar/Apr 1986, p. 87, but when I got that issue it only had 50 pages! There's also a ref to 'Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette' Jul/Aug 1998, p. 54. Anyone know what's on that page? (Hmmm.. the back-issue list says they still have some; I'd better email Bob Brown.)

Here's another big, detailed photo showing ALL (well, half) those rivets.
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/ebtM1a.jpg

Pete,
Thanks for posting the pictures. I like the last one you posted… silver roof, orange trim & are the sides black? I see that the picture was taken in 1960.

Roger,
Boy, I would like to see one in brass. You are right; perfect for F scale… the drive system should be easy….

Geoff

Okay, the July/August 1998 Gazette has plans for the M-1.

Length: 50' (over carbody)
Width: 8' 6"
Height: 11' 8.5" to top of roof, 13' 1.5" to clear the exhaust
Trucks on 31' 8" centers
Wheelbase of trucks: 8'
Wheels: 33"

Colors:
Regular service:

Body - dark green. Consensus on the EBT forum is that Scalecoat's GN Green is spot on.
Trim - oxide red. Probably the same as what the EBT used on their box cars. Floquils (or was it Scalecoat's) "Venitian Dull Red" is supposedly spot on for paint chips discovered in the shops some years back. I believe that particular shade of paint is no longer in production. Any oxide red will probably be a fair to good match. The red that Bruce Chandler uses on his box cars compares very favorably to prototype photos.
Roof - dark grey
Lettering - gold

Tourist service:

Same as above except for roof color. The shot Peter linked to (and another taken the same year) show a silverish roof, though I believe that was short lived, if it's not the light reflecting wrong. Most tourist-era shots show the car with a dark red roof, similar to the shade used on the trim.

Later,

K

I think we need a new subject link on this.

Thanks for the info and I will be setting up a folder with all of this in it for my reference.

The 50 foot comes out to be 2.46 feet in Fn3. Nice size. Will find the plans in the Gazette and see where to start. Guess a lot of brass.

Rog

Rog,

I must say you have a very nice looking railroad. when I get back from this deployment I would love to come and visit your railroad sometime this June.

Good news for the M-1. I now have the Hallmark HOn3 one to look at and I found the NGG plans. Seems to have all the necessary info.

I will look them over carefully and see what is the best tact to take on building the unit.

Too possibilities.

Brass frame and under side and brass body

Brass frame and styrene body.

I am sure there is a power truck from USA or Aristo that will power the unit and all we have to do is build new side frames.

Rog

Not that I see, according to Scot Lawrence's motor block list. You need one with a 4.72" wheelbase, with 1 5/8" wheels. With that much real estate between the axles, though, I wonder if you could fit two of Hartland's motor and gearbox sets in between. Wheels can probably be had for a reasonable price from Crofut and Iron Creek Shops, since 33" is a standard dimension for a standard gauge wheel, and they're the only shop doing 1:20 standard gauge.

Glad you found the NGG plans. I'll get that other stuff off to you next week.

Later,

K

What? Heresy!
What's wrong with a 1.5cc gas motor and a generator, like the real thing?

The M-1 is home and we are about to install DCC and then I will pull out the plans and an HO ruler and do some measuring. Great looking model. Never unwrapped and no paint. So I will have to get that done and find decals.

The Orbisonia was bare, but had decals. M-1 by Samhongsa and 20 by Dong Gin. Both excellent brass people.

Kevin thanks for the info on the trucks. I will talk to Peter when he arrives tomorrow and we will start thinking on how to do this. My next post will be titled "EBT M-1" a new link and maybe get some more input.

We will have to put the open house to rest until we have the next one on the 18th and 19th of April.

Also Jim Pitcher loaned me a Hallmark EBT caboose for information and the F&C people at the train show had cast urethane EBT 2 bay hoppers, steel box and will have 3 bay and caboose in HOn3. Beautiful stuff.

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See you soon.

Roger

Glad to see you found the meeting site. We had a great time and as usual the bridge got a lot of attention. We will be cleaning it and staining it in the coming weeks to keep her good for another 15 years.

I am enjoying the EBT 14 and have about 10 hoppers and a bunch of the new Accu ones on order. Also building a model of the Orbisonia from a laser kit made in Germany, like the one Peter is doing.

Stop by this weekend as we are having a two day meet.

Rog

You have a Lear and never told me.

Will get you an extra Pit Beef if you land it on McComas Road

Rog