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Scratchbuild idea/pix -- Thew steam shovel
Last Post 31 Mar 2010 11:21 PM by Ray Dunakin. 13 Replies.
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Mik
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| 07 Aug 2009 10:36 PM |
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Kim and I went to the National Pike show in Brownsville, Pa this afternoon, and saw this neat beastie. I have too many irons in the fire at the moment, but maybe this winter.....
Bit o' history by Keith Haddock 2007:
"Captain Richard Thew is credited with building America's first
fully revolving shovel and, like most inventions, it originated from an
idea to serve a specific need. Back in the 1890s, Thew, captain of an
ore-carrying boat on the Great Lakes, often encountered the problem of
handling iron ore once it was deposited on the docks. At that time,
such work was done with "railroad-type" steam shovels that traveled on
railroad tracks. They were heavy, cumbersome, and could only swing
their booms from side to side in a half-circle. Much hand work was
required to clean areas beyond the shovel's reach and also to
frequently reposition the railroad tracks.
Captain Thew studied these problems of ore handling and
conceived a unique machine that would overcome the former difficulties
and restrictions. With the help of H.H. Harris, an experienced shovel
designer, Thew built his first machine at the Variety Iron Works in
Cleveland in 1895. His machine was a fully revolving steam excavator
with a 5/8-cubic-yard shovel attachment that could swing in a full
circle, the first with this capability built in America. To add even
more flexibility, he mounted the machine on four steel traction wheels,
which could steer and propel itself without the need for
labor-intensive rail tracks. Now able to travel without restriction,
the shovel was able to perform any loading or cleanup work over the
entire dock property, doing away with most of the hand labor.
The Thew shovel also boasted a unique horizontal crowding or
thrusting motion that remains unique to this day. Instead of mounting
the bucket arm so that it pivoted on a shipper shaft attached to the
mid-point of the boom, the back end of the arm was pivoted to a
steam-driven carriage running in a horizontal frame. This arrangement
gave the machine superior clean-up capabilities as the shovel bucket
could travel a greater horizontal distance at ground level than a
conventional shovel"
Also, by George Frederick Wright - 1916
"Unique features in design give the Thew shovel a place of prestige
among machines of its type. Most important among these characteristics
is what the Thew engineers call the "full swing" principle, by virtue
of which a steam shovel of any type is enabled to describe with its
boom and bucket, a full circle. The shovel swings through a complete
circle, delivering the excavated material at any desired point, either
at the side or in the rear of the machine. The value of this feature is
obvious. However, the feature most characteristic of the Thew machines
is what is known aji the "horizontal dipper crowding motion," or the
"trolley motion." By this device the dipper bucket is carried directly
forward without changing the angle of the bucket face with the ground.
The advantages of this feature can also be readily understood by
persons who are not practical engineers. There is a minimum of lost
motion and power in the Thew excavator. This feature is of special
advantage in street excavation and grading, since the dipper cleans a
floor absolutely to the grade upon which the shovel is being operated."








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Mik Allegheny Valley, the outside, inside, inside, outside railroad.. http://www.the-ashpit.com/mik/layout.html
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on30gn15
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| 08 Aug 2009 01:31 AM |
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That is awesome, Thanks! |
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| Screw the Rivets, I'm building for Atmosphere! {but I do like a little bit of detail :-) and it's fun to play with paint } |
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Torby 1st Class Member
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| 08 Aug 2009 07:31 AM |
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Did you say Hi to Mike Mulligan?
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Mik
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| 08 Aug 2009 08:18 AM |
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Another few seconds showing how the crowd works. Wish I had taken a few more detail pics of the controls, winding drum and boiler layout.
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Mik Allegheny Valley, the outside, inside, inside, outside railroad.. http://www.the-ashpit.com/mik/layout.html
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Totalwrecker 1st Class Member
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| 08 Aug 2009 08:47 AM |
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Amazing... I've never heard of the Horizontal Crowder before, very simple and effective. Yet it also limits the height the bucket can go, which would limit the usefulness in other apllications. Gonna make yours live steam? |
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| His friend Jerry Dillon looked up at the hillside and said, “There’s a big ledge, and the whole damned hill is a total wreck with quartz boulders of ore.”
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Mik
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| 08 Aug 2009 09:37 AM |
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Not live steam, but the wheeled carriage will save me a LOT of headaches and $$ over trying to find/build crawler tracks.
As they were probably loading the dirt into horse drawn or tiny NG industrial RR equipment in 1913, the boom lift height might not have been that much of an issue. Thew later used a more conventional dipper.
Some appropriate era stuff to go with your steam shovel....
1923 Mack AC dump
Brookie and tipper, substitute a little saddle tank Porter for early...
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Mik Allegheny Valley, the outside, inside, inside, outside railroad.. http://www.the-ashpit.com/mik/layout.html
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Gary Armitstead 1st Class Member
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| 08 Aug 2009 11:11 AM |
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Mik,
How about one of these? 2 1/2 inch, live steam shovel and drag-line.
How about one of these. |
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 Gary Armitstead Burbank, CA. Los Angeles Live Steamers SA #4449 |
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Mik
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| 08 Aug 2009 01:44 PM |
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Gary, My live steam project of the last decade is a 1/3 size freescale steam roller loosely resembling one made by Leader. I have the boiler, engine, front & rear rolls, Gardner governor, injector, hand pump, and steering gear. I need to scrounge the drive gearing and some steel yet (channel and plate), and get enough spare $$ to refill my torch tanks. (I started this long before my ex cleaned out our bank accounts)
some pix-
General Layout
Engine, half a mason steam car engine w/ Stephenson's reverse 2-1/2 bore x 3-5/8 stroke. Yes it's right handed, we'll work around that (mirror image, probably)
Boiler, built to ASME section I part PMB standards. I have all the calcs, material data sheets, weld process sheets, joint test results, etc, etc, and the state STILL doesn't like it..... just because it was built in an ASME certified TRAINING FACILITY, rather than a code shop.
Front Roll, off a Dynapak, just as I got it - the frame will be cut down to a lower profile.
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Mik Allegheny Valley, the outside, inside, inside, outside railroad.. http://www.the-ashpit.com/mik/layout.html
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Gary Armitstead 1st Class Member
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| 08 Aug 2009 03:03 PM |
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Very nice project. My little side project that I started in a college night class about ten years ago is the 1/8th scale vertical boiler, steam roller written up in Live Steam magazine. All parts were drawn in MasterCam and then NC'ed. Just need to be assembled. We built 15 of these! FUN! |
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 Gary Armitstead Burbank, CA. Los Angeles Live Steamers SA #4449 |
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Mike Reilley 1st Class Member
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| 08 Aug 2009 06:48 PM |
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Allen....that is one cool steam shovel. Sure does remind me of my Mike Mulligan days. |
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GeorgeMMR
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| 08 Aug 2009 08:30 PM |
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Guys, If you are considering scratch-building a steam shovel, or other crawler type of modle, look around for an old Ertle 1:24 caterpillar model. Good useable tracks. See my ariticle some years back in the "Narrow Gauge and Shortline Gazette." If you cannot locate the old Ertle model, then look for tracks from a plastic model company. Tamiya, for one, sells track kits and I believe there are other suppliers as well. Good hunting! George |
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| 31 Mar 2010 05:57 PM |
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Mik-
I'm the picture editor at Invention & Technology magazine. We would like to publish one of the images of the Thew steam shovel. Please contact me at mkelty@americanheritage.com as soon as possible.
Thank you. |
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Semper Vaporo 1st Class Member
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| 31 Mar 2010 09:01 PM |
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Posted By I&Tmag on 31 Mar 2010 05:57 PM
Mik-
I'm the picture editor at Invention & Technology magazine. We would like to publish one of the images of the Thew steam shovel. Please contact me at mkelty@americanheritage.com as soon as possible.
Thank you. HEY! Love your mag! Great publication! |
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My train of thought was derailed -- there were no survivors.
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Ray Dunakin
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| 31 Mar 2010 11:21 PM |
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Very cool machine, and great pics! Thanks for posting those. The video was interesting, I was surprised that the sound of it in operation almost sounded like a modern diesel powered machine rather than steam. BTW, here's a neat thread from a guy who's building a Marion steam shovel in 1:20.3 scale. It too has traction wheels. You might find some of his construction techniques useful in your build: http://www.finescalerr.com/smf/inde...opic=693.0 |
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