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Last Post 11 Feb 2010 03:48 PM byNicholas Savatgy. 66 Replies.
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05 Feb 2010 08:01 AM  
So each railhead is curved and most wheelsets are tapered to aid in centering the car and keep it pulling straight. As the rail wears the cruve in the head becomes more promounced and eventually cause damage.
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06 Feb 2010 07:19 AM  
Track removed from Children’s Hospital Layout after call stating USAT NW2 won’t run.
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08 Feb 2010 04:46 PM  
Now that's what I call serious wheel slip.  If you look carefully at the divot on the right side you will notice that the divots do not involve the entire rail head.  They were ground out with a little rim on the outside of each rail, unlike the divots on the left which cross the entire rail head.  That motor block has wheels with significantly different back to back settings for the two axles.
 
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08 Feb 2010 07:32 PM  
That could be true.

Also, the the taper of the wheels causes the contact near the flange first, where the wheel diameter is. Our model wheels have severe taper.

In addition, it might be that, due to conditions, the axle where the wear is greatest could have more weight on it than the other axle.

Many possibilities.

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08 Feb 2010 10:12 PM  
Greg:
 
I agree about the taper, but the hole on the right has a very sharp edge where the entire tread has cut down inside the outside of the rail.  It looks as if it was cut with a milling machine (the harder wheel from the locomotive).
 
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08 Feb 2010 11:19 PM  
Upon looking closer, you are indeed right... (next I use a computer with a larger screen!)

Yep, the back to back must be terrible, since it's both sides... wow...

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09 Feb 2010 05:49 AM  
Or it could be that now one of the wheels is not turning and slipping on the axle shaft.  Later RJD
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09 Feb 2010 08:58 AM  
The gears on both motor blocks were stripped and we've seen this type of wear pattern over the years. I think RJD has it right, the last axle with the best gear engagement and no split hubs, cuts the deepest notch.
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09 Feb 2010 09:37 PM  
Jim:
 
Are the divots (craters) from one block or one axle on each motor block?  I tried counting ties and matching the distance on your picture with the USA Trains pictures on their web site.  Nothing matched up.  My guess is that the tie spacing is different, or I can't count!
 
If they are from different blocks are there traction tires on the other axles so that they didn't dig the divots?
 
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10 Feb 2010 07:58 AM  
Chuck, I just checked the divot spacing on the track and it turns out they match the GP40 motor blocks perfectly. We fried the motor blocks on the GP40 about 3 months ago and apparently no one noticed the bad section of track. This is an overhead double tracked layout, which is suspended below the ceiling of the walkway betweeen the parking garage and the hospital and is not easily accessible. The Club does maintenance on the layout about every 3 months and we try to "walk" the track each time.
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10 Feb 2010 04:23 PM  
Jim:
 
Thanks for the update.  It is hard for me to believe that trains could go through those craters without derailing or getting stuck in the bottom.  I guess that is a good argument for our oversized flanges and treads.
 
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10 Feb 2010 07:31 PM  
Another GP40 up in smoke? Don't tell Lewis.

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10 Feb 2010 08:02 PM  
Are those Darn GP-40s up to no good again?  He He He.
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11 Feb 2010 09:18 AM  
Can't blame it on the GP40. One of the problems with a layout in a public environment is that no one monitors it. The trains are turned on in the morning and off at night. If there's a derailment, the engine will set there until it dies or the TE blows a fuse.
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11 Feb 2010 10:24 AM  
Sure we can. 
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11 Feb 2010 03:43 PM  
Gee wees Nick You got to give them a break once in a while.  It was an un maned train.  Later RJD
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11 Feb 2010 03:48 PM  
Un manned train? What a way to run a RR............   he he he    
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