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| 12 Jan 2010 11:59 AM |
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The rod clank is a really cool sound, i luv it in my 0 6 0........  |
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| 12 Jan 2010 12:15 PM |
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so far im only getting more confused. i asked about an SD40-2, and im getting more advice on steam sounds... does anyone model modern stuff? |
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| 12 Jan 2010 12:35 PM |
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No the thread is just drifting. Lots of people model modern stuff. The load-dependent aspects of the QSI cards are really pronounced in steam, that's all. Accuracy to prototype is definitely more pressing if you are modeling modern stuff. I have a model of a steam engine which went out of service in 1954. There's only one left, and it will never run again. Who knows what it sounded like? who has a reliable memory of sounds from 60 years ago? There are 't that many steam prototypes running
But I would have assumed QSI was out recording modern motive power, and trying to match model to sound. Maybe there's more variance in the model?
Also did you try it on larger speakers? The speaker in the typical computers never heard of bass frequencies
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| 12 Jan 2010 12:59 PM |
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They are recording more, but the G scale recordings have lagged behind the HO ones somewhat.
Some of the sound files have the wrong prime mover set in them, easy to change.
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p.s. the thread is drifting probably because most people figure the question has been answered... |
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| 12 Jan 2010 01:51 PM |
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yes i know, i just dont want to shell out and not get what i want for the sound. i was really excited about QSI until i tried the software updated for the chips, where you configure your sounds. you can listen to them all there. and yes i have a nice 5.1 sound system on my pc :) . i did find a setup that i customized that i would probably use if i went the QSI way, but it still makes me long for the real thing. i guess if they record better sounds i could get those. i am still stuck between the two, PS and QSI. i have been researching for hours, and its just hard to find for some reason, everything being flooded with N and HO scale on google and the like. i was lucky enough to find this place.
i do developments in railroad related computer sims, and i have been out recording locomotives myself. the sound being prototypical is very important to me. i dont just want sound for the sake of having sound come out. i would have been delighted if they allowed custom engine sounds, and i could use my own. just dreaming i guess.
i appreciate the input, but it seemed to dunk me in under water quicker than before. |
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| 12 Jan 2010 03:17 PM |
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Well it sounds like your between a rock and a hard spot. Your are a type that has to have it perfect. Your not going to get it for now. You may just want to wait till sound files are improved. Folks here have given you the available choices and your still want better. You have done the searches and also come up empty. Later RJD |
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| 12 Jan 2010 03:36 PM |
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The software program is NOT good to listen to the sounds, it only plays very little of the sounds and not entire sequences. Don't judge the product there, that program is just to CHOOSE the sounds, not evaluate them.
(I was likewise disappointed at first because I assumed what I heard was "normal" operation of the sounds, it is not).
See if you can listen to a QSI installed... I don't run any SD's, but if you can't, post again this weekend and I'll program one up and put it on youtube for you... (again my camera won't have great quality).
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| 12 Jan 2010 04:17 PM |
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ill tell ya friend, i have looked to find one installed and come up short so far. i have read some of your other threads, and after thinking it over pretty hard i just might want that feedback action from the motors you get on QSI. RJD its not that i am impossible to please, i just dont think that i know enough yet to make the choice, and more information is required.
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| 12 Jan 2010 04:23 PM |
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One of the reasons I like QSI a lot, is that they are constantly upgrading things and adding new features. Phoenix has some GREAT sounds, I love their Alco, but nothing new happens.
There are new features in the QSI several times a year, and there is a new version coming soon. If you can wait until about March, hopefully this new version will be here... I know it's been promised many times before, but I know the reasons for the delays, and they are moving forward..
At that time, the USAT specific one should be available... which will also save you installation work over what you can buy today. You have seen pictures of the prototype USAT one in my site? Takes longer to open the shell than to install the board. No soldering, just plug and play.
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| 12 Jan 2010 04:31 PM |
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thank you so much Greg, i feel much better about it. i think i will wait to see what happens in the QSI field, but i think i will go with that one. in the meantime, ive got to get back to weathering cars. |
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| 12 Jan 2010 06:43 PM |
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Hmm.. I posted and it disappeared... so second try:
Let me know if you want me to do a short Youtube video on the QSI, I will be playing with some new QSI features this weekend, and programming and messing around.
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| 12 Jan 2010 07:19 PM |
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thats funny, seems i saw that up there. i would greatly appreciate it if you could share a video. i have another project that i have started planning tonight that will keep me occupied. i am going ahead with adding the CSX style ditchlights to the model. they wont function (other than light up) just yet until i figure out where im going with the layout control. |
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| 13 Jan 2010 06:45 AM |
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wow!! what a groovy topic and place to talk about trains!! i also received my first g gauge engine a sd40 for x-mas and am looking for some sounds for it and a loud horn! i really like that video with all the smoke and i need that! i found a place called dalee and was wondering if that does smoke also?? |
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| 13 Jan 2010 11:31 AM |
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Dallee makes sound systems, no smoke units. The Dallee sound is not on par with the Phoenix or QSI, so it was not suggested here, since the poster wants high quality, accurate sound. The Dallee is a mid-level, economical sound unit.
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| 13 Jan 2010 11:50 AM |
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Casey: Your SD40 has one of the better smoke units available. It is fan driven. The video posted by Nick are the new USAT smoke units which is in your SD 40. As for the sound If you have gone through this thread the choice is yours but for ease of installation if not going to DCC would be the Phoenix sound. BTW welcome to the MLS forum. Later RJD |
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| 14 Jan 2010 07:42 AM |
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thanks RJD as this looks like a nice place to talk about g gauge trains. my uncle has o gauge trains that are mostly high end brass made by Koh's & Company that cost many thousand dollars and they all have high end Dalle sound in them which sounds fantastik so I wouldn't dis dalee. after reading thru dalle website they can be powered by dc, dcc or batteries so it looks like anything the other sound people can do dalle can do thank you.
I put my sd40-2 on the track and the smoke doesn't do anything like what that nick guy video does which btw mr. nick is fantastik!! but wheres the rest of the engine to prove that it's a sd40-2? |
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| 14 Jan 2010 07:52 AM |
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Casey,
If yours doesnt smoke like that you may have an earlier version that used wick type smoke units, If its a later model they switched to fan driven units witch work a lot better.. I think you will find that you will not use the smoke units that much anyways, a lot of people dont. i use them alot in my steamers not so much in the deisels. |
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| 14 Jan 2010 08:06 AM |
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Posted By Nicholas Savatgy on 14 Jan 2010 07:52 AM
Casey,
If yours doesnt smoke like that you may have an earlier version that used wick type smoke units, If its a later model they switched to fan driven units witch work a lot better.. I think you will find that you will not use the smoke units that much anyways, a lot of people dont. i use them alot in my steamers not so much in the deisels. I don't run anything except USAT engines, new and old, and I've removed all my smoke units. True, I'm running inside, but even when I was out doors I used the smoke units for stationary items make camp fires, saw mills and the odd building. Now if USAT would come out with a C/M 630 or 636 I would use the on board smoke. |
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| 14 Jan 2010 08:15 AM |
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Those smoke units were not stock, Ray Manley had them modified.
Maybe he will share his modifications with us, because stock USAT units do not smoke like that!
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| 14 Jan 2010 08:17 AM |
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Agreed--I've never bothered with USAT smoke units. What's the secret? |
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| 14 Jan 2010 08:32 AM |
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Nick did not mentioned that they had been modified. Mine smoke as good as his but I run on DCC. Puting these on a work bench indoors will defiantly show better smoke than if you run them out doors. Later RJD |
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| 14 Jan 2010 10:26 AM |
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My USA trains units do smoke very well with the fan driven smokers, But Ray is the king of smoke units and probably did some modifacations to his to improve there performance.... yours still may have the older version Wick type, you can tell by looking down the unit and you will or will not see a wick. now not to get off subject but heres a MTH SMOKER in my heavly modified mikado nothing can touchem for 35.00........ Even some of the live steamer boys have said they cant touch this for smoke volume, and this was outside on a windy day.... |
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| 14 Jan 2010 10:42 AM |
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Posted By aceinspp on 14 Jan 2010 08:32 AM
Nick did not mentioned that they had been modified. Mine smoke as good as his but I run on DCC. Puting these on a work bench indoors will defiantly show better smoke than if you run them out doors. Later RJD
RJ, if you reed my 1st post i DID say Ray did work them over along with the aristo units that now from what ive been told do no longer cut out after 3 minutes ever..
Dont know what he did but he did figure it out. you guys should drop him an email maybe he will tell you. heres Rays dash 9, I do know that Ray finished his conversion of his 10 dash-9s and was less than happy when he went to run the smoke units and some cut out, As ussual poor QC from aristo but i think when Ray gets pissed WELL GAME ON......The problem is now fixed period......... again i dont know how but he seems to figure out what others havent. |
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| 14 Jan 2010 02:35 PM |
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Nick since I've gone to DCC my Aristo smoke units have run so much better. go figure. I get long run times and plenty of smoke. Here again as I mentioned indoors the smoke units look great put them out doors and you will see a difference in how the work. I've done the same fin my shop. Later RJD |
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| 14 Jan 2010 04:33 PM |
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Posted By dawinter on 14 Jan 2010 08:06 AM
Posted By Nicholas Savatgy on 14 Jan 2010 07:52 AM
Casey,
If yours doesnt smoke like that you may have an earlier version that used wick type smoke units, If its a later model they switched to fan driven units witch work a lot better.. I think you will find that you will not use the smoke units that much anyways, a lot of people dont. i use them alot in my steamers not so much in the deisels.
I don't run anything except USAT engines, new and old, and I've removed all my smoke units. True, I'm running inside, but even when I was out doors I used the smoke units for stationary items make camp fires, saw mills and the odd building. Now if USAT would come out with a C/M 630 or 636 I would use the on board smoke. AAAAAAAAAAAA all good things come to those who wait. |
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