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| 28 Nov 2009 02:32 PM |
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Posted By sailbode on 26 Nov 2009 07:44 PM
Was running my new Annie, had the smoke going, looking and sounding sweet pulling 7 cars nicely on my indoor layout when it suddenly stopped. Checked the track power (with another loco) and all is ok. Noticed the headlight and smoke stopped also, which leads me to believe it is not the motor but probably some form of circuit protection? or a wire came off...some form of "open circuit". Can anyone tell me how I should proceed? I contacted Bachmanns service via e-mail and probably wont hear back from them until tomorrow. Hope this thing isn't down for the holidays.
Don
Sir - please feel free to flame me if I'm wrong, but from your description your loco is not an 'Annie' but a regular 'Big Hauler'. Expecting it to haul a load like this around the tight curves on your track is, IMO, expecting rather too much. And BTW, if you ever contacted Bachmann on one day by e-mail, and got any kind of a response within three months, you could count yourself pretty lucky - that is certainly more than I ever got out of them..
Glad that the experts and you together got a solution to the problem for you.
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| 28 Nov 2009 03:12 PM |
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OK Tac, I'm no expert, What is an Annie....or more to the point, what is the difference between an Annie and my loco which you are calling a "Big Hauler". I was under the impression that an Annie was a "stand off and squint scale model of one of the Baldwin engines in a 4-6-0 configuration, but what do I know! I'm just an auto mechanic from Jersey  ....here is some text from an e-bay add:..."If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....." Nicknamed
the "Annie" by Bachmann enthusiasts Bachmann offers this Special
Anniversay Edition 4-6-0 Steam Locomotive with the following features:
operating headlight, smoke, speed synchronized sound, state of the art
drive mechanism, metal siderods, seperate detail parts as well as
seperate piping and all metal handrails. This 4-6-0 is a locomotive
that Mr. Baldwin & Company would be proud to call their own. How about it experts is Tac right?
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| 28 Nov 2009 03:31 PM |
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OK, I did a little research. Many of the Bachmann ads for their Anniversary addition boast that these trains are nick named the Annie by enthusiasts. It's a little unclear if they are referring to the old faithfull, very popular, tried & true, been used since Moby was a guppy, Baldwin 4-6-0. or were they just reffering to the new Annaversary edition of the old tried and true, yada yada? If the elitists that own anniversary editions want to keep the name Annie for themselves, I think they're in for a tuff time, I'm sure I'm not the first to call a "Non-annaversary" 4-6-0 an Annie and I'll bet I wont be the last. |
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| 28 Nov 2009 03:32 PM |
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If you go to the Bachmann website and look at the pictures of the Anniversary locomotive, you will see that it has a lot more detail parts than the Big Hauler. This is particularly noticeable in the drive rods and valve gear. There are probably other details, but they aren't that noticeable in the picture. Chuck N
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| 28 Nov 2009 03:36 PM |
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Posted By sailbode on 28 Nov 2009 03:31 PM
OK, I did a little research. Many of the Bachmann ads for their Anniversary addition boast that these trains are nick named the Annie by enthusiasts. It's a little unclear if they are referring to the old faithful, very popular, tried & true, been used since Moby was a guppy, Baldwin 4-6-0. or were they just reffering to the new Annaversary edition of the old tried and true, yada yada? If there are elitists that own anniversary editions and want to keep the name Annie for themselves, I think they're in for a tuff time, I'm sure I'm not the first to call a "Non-anniversary" 4-6-0 an Annie and I'll bet I wont be the last.
Incidentally, some of the new Heavy Hauler sets come with an Anniversary editions.
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| 28 Nov 2009 08:05 PM |
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Yes. The Anniversary Edition, Annie, is a highly detailed Big Hauler. Mine has metal rods and metal walschert valve gear, and ALL the parts move. There are details and valve handles everywhere, though mine lost a few in a dive to a parking lot a few years ago. I love running slow and watching all those parts working. |
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| 29 Nov 2009 05:30 AM |
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Would somebody please slap me! I'm such a jerk! Drinking coffee this morning it just occurred to me where the name Annie came from! Annie- versary! Mine'll never be called Annie again. So what shall we call non-annie 4-6-0s??..can't call it a Heavy Hauler as some of the Heavy Hauler sets come with Annies. I see some engines are called Connie?? can someone tell me what a Connie is? and what actually is a Mogul. Ah this model RR lingo is gonna take me a while! D
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| 29 Nov 2009 05:34 AM |
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One more thing befor I run off to church, I see since 1988 Bachmann offers a "Spectrum" series which seem to be more $$$ and presumably a better product? What's the deal? and are the real Annies one of the Spectrum line? |
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| 29 Nov 2009 05:40 AM |
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The Big Haulers are often called Bug Maulers". The 4-6-0 wheel arrangment was commonly called a Ten Wheeler. "Connie" is the name given to the Mexican prototype Bachmann Consolidtion. There are others such as the Dizzy. A Mogul is a 2-6-0. This may help you. http://www.steamlocomotive.com/misc...eels.shtml |
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| 29 Nov 2009 06:15 AM |
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Posted By sailbode on 28 Nov 2009 03:12 PM
OK Tac, I'm no expert, What is an Annie....or more to the point, what is the difference between an Annie and my loco which you are calling a "Big Hauler". I was under the impression that an Annie was a "stand off and squint scale model of one of the Baldwin engines in a 4-6-0 configuration, but what do I know! I'm just an auto mechanic from Jersey  ....here is some text from an e-bay add:..."If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....."
Nicknamed
the "Annie" by Bachmann enthusiasts Bachmann offers this Special
Anniversay Edition 4-6-0 Steam Locomotive with the following features:
operating headlight, smoke, speed synchronized sound, state of the art
drive mechanism, metal siderods, seperate detail parts as well as
seperate piping and all metal handrails. This 4-6-0 is a locomotive
that Mr. Baldwin & Company would be proud to call their own.
How about it experts is Tac right?
tac is right. tac has an 'Annie' - in White Pass livery. tac has had it for about ten years. tac DOES make mistakes, but not too often. 
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| 29 Nov 2009 06:28 AM |
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Posted By sailbode on 29 Nov 2009 05:34 AM
One more thing befor I run off to church, I see since 1988 Bachmann offers a "Spectrum" series which seem to be more $$$ and presumably a better product? What's the deal? and are the real Annies one of the Spectrum line?
In order of asking -
1. The Bachmann 'Spectrum' series, introduced in 1998, in large scale, are all made to scale of 1/20.3 - also known as Fn3. This uses the 45mm gauge track to replicate the 3 foot gauge of Colorado and other narrow gauge rail lines, mostly in the North American/Canadian logging scene. 'Spectrum' models show an extremely high level of [often fragile] detail - in other words, they are not really suitable for younger train fans.
2. Locomotives in the large-scale 'Spectrum' line include the two and three truck Shays, Climax and Heisler geared logging locomotives, the Mexican prototype 'Connie' [consolidation] 2-8-0, and the recently introduced D&RGW K-27 Mike [mikado] and articulated 2-6-6-2 Mallet. The tiny 'Indie' [industrial] mogul has also been included in this list.
3. They are the top of the line in the Bachmann production stardom list - as are the H0 and On3 models with the same 'Spectrum' designation.
4. The real 'Annies' are not part of the 'Spectrum' line-up, for the reason stated in para 1 and because they are also made to a different scale.
Hope this helps.
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| 29 Nov 2009 08:15 AM |
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| 29 Nov 2009 08:28 AM |
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Mine'll never be called Annie again. Don, A lot of folk call all the Bachmann 4-6-0s "Annies" so don't slap yourself too hard. I (and others) tend to refer to them as "ten-wheelers", which is common railroad slang for a 4-6-0. There were at least 5 generations of ten-wheeler plus the 'Anniversary' edition - details are on George Schreyers site (link above on the first page.) and because they are also made to a different scale Tac should have mentioned that the Bachmann "Big Hauler" line, which includes a lot of train sets and separate items not labelled 'Spectrum Series' are all made to a scale of 1:22.5, which is an old, old scale (gauge-3 if you want to look it up,) that LGB chose when it started all this about 30+ years ago. |
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| 29 Nov 2009 08:55 AM |
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To further muddy the waters, the Annie's detailing is very near Spectrum levels! It is at least as detailed as the Indie and the original 2-4-2T Columbia that was labeled "Spectrum" (but wasn't 1:20.3), at least the engine is! The tender is another matter entirely! The coal load is a joke! It looks like dried oatmeal that was spay painted! The hook and loop connection between the tender and engine is so LGB toylike and should have been changed to a drawbar with footplate on top....but wasn't. The rivets on the tender are the same as on the original Big Hauler meaning they are too big! What was done was the minimal necessary so that the tender would get by matched to the re-tooled engine! It now has a working reverse lamp and enhanced coupler drawbar but that's about it. Most of these deficiencies can be overcome with a modicum of kit bashing and detailing. I now have an Annie that looks right at home next to my Connie and K-27. I have modified the rear of the tender so that the coupler is now body mounted at the proper height for F scale.
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| 29 Nov 2009 12:11 PM |
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Posted By Pete Thornton -
...Tac should have mentioned that the Bachmann "Big Hauler" line, which includes a lot of train sets and separate items not labelled 'Spectrum Series' are all made to a scale of 1:22.5...
BAAAAAD tac, WICKED tac! In fact, I wrote 'they are also made to a different scale'. I am abjectly remorseful to have to admit that I neglected to mention the scale...
In spite of the rather odd scale for US stock, it CAN be made into a very convincing replication of a three-foot loco with the cab enlarged, as you see. The use of real coal on the tender helps tremendously, and is a cheap fix. The passenger cars that go with it in its original scale of 1/22.5, alas, are positively minute by comparison with their 1/20.3 equivalents, as a look at recent posts will show.
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| 29 Nov 2009 02:17 PM |
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I'm amazed at the detail on the Annie, but it is a bit small for the 1:20 group. I put a BBT drive in mine, but kept the valve gear. New cab, boiler, domes, pilot, stack, and tender and all of a sudden it's 1:20! |
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| 30 Nov 2009 08:37 AM |
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Posted By Bruce Chandler on 29 Nov 2009 02:17 PM
I'm amazed at the detail on the Annie, but it is a bit small for the 1:20 group.
I put a BBT drive in mine, but kept the valve gear. New cab, boiler, domes, pilot, stack, and tender and all of a sudden it's 1:20!
Runs like a watch and looks a million $$$!
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| 30 Nov 2009 12:19 PM |
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New cab, boiler, domes, pilot, stack, and tender
but kept the valve gear Bruce - just thought you got those two statements wrong way 'round. |
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| 30 Nov 2009 01:17 PM |
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Posted By sailbode on 29 Nov 2009 05:30 AM
Would somebody please slap me! I'm such a jerk! Drinking coffee this morning it just occurred to me where the name Annie came from! Annie- versary! Mine'll never be called Annie again. So what shall we call non-annie 4-6-0s??..can't call it a Heavy Hauler as some of the Heavy Hauler sets come with Annies. I see some engines are called Connie?? can someone tell me what a Connie is? and what actually is a Mogul. Ah this model RR lingo is gonna take me a while!
D
I would call them "Non-Annie Big Hauler" and "Annie Big Hauler"..
yes, both are technically Big Haulers! which leads to the confusion..
but if you simply say "annie" or "non-annie" Big Hauler then its instantly clear which version you are referring to..
I have seen those terms used a lot, IMO its the best way to go..otherwise if you just say "Big Hauler" someone will have to ask "which version",
then you have to explain..it saves a lot of time to just say "annie" or "non-annie" right from the start! ;)
and everyone understands what that means..
"Big Hauler" is just the Bachmann name for the Large Scale 4-6-0..
"Big Hauler" only applies to these particular models..not to the prototype.
in the real world, the 4-6-0 wheel arrangement is called the "Ten Wheeler" type.
"Mogul" is a 2-6-0
"Consolidation" is a 2-8-0..etc..
"Connie" is the Bachmann Outside Frame 2-8-0.."Connie" for "Consolidation":
"Indie" is the Bachmann "Industrial Mogul" , also called the "Mining Mogul".. "Indie" for Industrial:
Not to be confused with the Bachmann "Spectrum Mogul":
which is a totally different loco than "Indie"
and has no nickname..it is simply called the "Spectrum Mogul" to differentiate it from the newer "Indie".
(*any* 2-6-0 is a Mogul..Mogul is the name of the wheel arrangement, like any 2-8-0 is a Consolidation.
Bachmann makes two different Large Scale Moguls, the "Mining Mogul" (aka "Indie") and the "Spectrum Mogul"..both have the 2-6-0 wheel arrangement, and so both are a "mogul")
"Dizzie" is the Bachmann 1/20.3 scale GE center cab diesel.."Dizzie" for Diesel of course:
And now there is a second Bachmann Large Scale Diesel!
the Davenport:
http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?act=viewProd&productId=2986
If it hasnt already been said, logiically this must be "Davey"! ;)
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| 30 Nov 2009 01:26 PM |
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Posted By Scottychaos on 30 Nov 2009 01:17 PM
And now there is a second Bachmann Large Scale Diesel!
the Davenport:
If it hasnt already been said, logiically this must be "Davey"! ;)
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